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Vardan

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ZAmorakZaros said :
Unicornz pwn said :
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Zamorak
: As much as I want to like Zamorak, he came across as a bid of a lunatic in the quest. Not a nice dude. Makes light of genocide. Sucks at mazes. I've decided Gielinor would be better off with him dead as well.
I found out he is not the only one. Azzanadra has fond memories of slaughtering an entire enemy tribe with Sliske to avenge his little brother's death. Turns out Sliske was the real killer
I gotta say Sliske was a bit of an idiot for revealing that. Guess his edgelord tendencies just couldn't be curbed.
We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.

21-Dec-2016 05:35:54

Vardan

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Unicornz pwn said :
Vardan said :
Unicornz pwn said :
@Vardan

It seems to me his plan to prove his worth will have relatively positive outcomes regardless, if he manages to save the dragon riders. It just seems that his sense of entitlement might push him to revert back to his older ways, which I thought he abandoned.

At the moment, he's simply had his pride wounded and has shown no signs that he's a threat to Gielinor or it's inhabitants, and he still owes Armadyl that favor, which I also believe will have positive consequences whatever it is. (Based on my play through)

Because I don't know what his future path will look like, I have no idea if he plans to do distasteful things to reach his goal. Still, I understand why he's upset and can't judge him for wanting to prove Jas wrong. I just know a large ego is a very dangerous thing, and that is my primary issue with someone like Saradomin.
I understand. The thing is though, Zaros has a bit of an ego too. And a temper as shown when Jas basically told him to get lost. So we'll see what happens, we know Zaros isn't taking "no" for an answer. Looks like he's going to ask each of the other Elder Gods for help.
Exactly. I agree with you, however, at this point Zaros hasn't actually done anything bad due to his wounded pride. I'd say lacking blind trust is the reasonable approach, but just because I'm skeptical doesn't mean I should abandon him.

Though if it does come to that, or he ends up on the chopping block, I'm making a beeline for the Armadyl camp.
Do you support Armadyl for his philosophy or because he's the "good" god? Fair warning I'm pretty sure his ascension is going to be revealed to be related to why Abbinah is such a terrible place to live given his refusal to talk about the subject.

Small time compared to the other gods' sins but still.
We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.

21-Dec-2016 05:37:41 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 05:38:13 by Vardan

Unicornz pwn
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Padomenes said :
Proof of "disgusting view"? He said he had to do what was necessary and did not feel good about it. He did it because he felt it was COMPULSORY and there was 0 other way to prevent his order from failing/collapsing, plus having no standing army of people willing to fight against the rebels that would have killed, plundered everything. And he is convinced this way because throughout life Saradomin found that when he stuck to his ways he always lasted, while everybody else failed or collapsed and fell all the time.

Question is can you prove Saradomin wrong that his methods will stop chaos permanently?
Chaos is naturally forming so unless he lobotomizes everyone into being mindless slaves (which I'm sure he's down for) then he's an idiot for trying to prevent chaos.

Idiot or authoritarian tyrant, take your pick
"Ego Te Provoco."

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21-Dec-2016 05:37:43

Lord Remus

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ZAmorakZaros said :
Unicornz pwn said :
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Zamorak
: As much as I want to like Zamorak, he came across as a bid of a lunatic in the quest. Not a nice dude. Makes light of genocide. Sucks at mazes. I've decided Gielinor would be better off with him dead as well.
I found out he is not the only one. Azzanadra has fond memories of slaughtering an entire enemy tribe with Sliske to avenge his little brother's death. Turns out Sliske was the real killer

It explains why he was so lenient and trusting with Sliske at least. The imagined bond they had together was rather sweet in a horrific way, two friends avenging the unprovoked death of a kinsman and becoming blood brothers after a successful battle.

Then Sliske stabs him in the heart with the truth. Ow. O_o I'm Godless although I consider myself Independent/Unaligned I "We create ourselves through life. Every victory, every failure and every lesson learned from them... Make us who we are. Once we have lived life to it's end, that is when we realise who we are... or more accurately, who we were."

21-Dec-2016 05:38:31

ZAmorakZaros
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Vardan said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
Unicornz pwn said :
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Zamorak
: As much as I want to like Zamorak, he came across as a bid of a lunatic in the quest. Not a nice dude. Makes light of genocide. Sucks at mazes. I've decided Gielinor would be better off with him dead as well.
I found out he is not the only one. Azzanadra has fond memories of slaughtering an entire enemy tribe with Sliske to avenge his little brother's death. Turns out Sliske was the real killer
I gotta say Sliske was a bit of an idiot for revealing that. Guess his edgelord tendencies just couldn't be curbed.
I am starting to think that the gloating over the deaths of enemies is a cultural thing. NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

21-Dec-2016 05:40:37

Unicornz pwn
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@Vardan

He clearly has a dark past that he's concealing, but I can find his philosophy something I can get behind as well as him personally.

I'm not sure if his past actions have a direct link to his current views and actions, I'm more concerned that he'll fly (lol) off the handle and kill anyone who he views as an obstacle to his peace. Bandos is better off dead so I'm fine with that, but who knows who else he feels he might need to do away with. (I hope it's Saradomin though)
"Ego Te Provoco."

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21-Dec-2016 05:40:46 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 05:40:55 by Unicornz pwn

Padomenes

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Unicornz pwn said :
Padomenes said :
Proof of "disgusting view"? He said he had to do what was necessary and did not feel good about it. He did it because he felt it was COMPULSORY and there was 0 other way to prevent his order from failing/collapsing, plus having no standing army of people willing to fight against the rebels that would have killed, plundered everything. And he is convinced this way because throughout life Saradomin found that when he stuck to his ways he always lasted, while everybody else failed or collapsed and fell all the time.

Question is can you prove Saradomin wrong that his methods will stop chaos permanently?
Chaos is naturally forming so unless he lobotomizes everyone into being mindless slaves (which I'm sure he's down for) then he's an idiot for trying to prevent chaos.

Idiot or authoritarian tyrant, take your pick And? His worked out a theory for preventing it, everytime he does something questionable he is plagued by his past and fear because of the suffering he oversaw due to chaos. He wants to never see it bother people again and is pained by it, so everytime Saradomin does something questionable he is following his carefully calculated steps in his theory that he sticks to strongly + STRICTLY of how to completely stop chaos including with Garlandia.

Saradomin is not a tyrant because its hinted he hates or dislikes it but still does it because he feels its compulsory. Armadyl even hints he wants to make decisions he thinks are best for you without your input out of care for your security(Similar to a protective parent/sibling).

Is a protective parent/sibling "bad" from this logic?

21-Dec-2016 05:44:26 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 05:52:11 by Padomenes

Unicornz pwn
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Saradomin is not a parent to everyone, and he is not owed loyalty. In that sense he is an entitled and arrogant tyrant who needs to be killed before he inflicts further damage on the world and other innocents
"Ego Te Provoco."

The Hooded Zarosian

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21-Dec-2016 05:53:54

Padomenes

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Unicornz pwn said :
Saradomin is not a parent to everyone, and he is not owed loyalty. In that sense he is an entitled and arrogant tyrant who needs to be killed before he inflicts further damage on the world and other innocents Then the same thing could be said for Zaros.

Even Armadyl hints he does what he does out of care. Saradomin himself even says he dislikes plus possible even hates what he does sometimes but still does feels forced to do it anyway because he knows there is no other way. In order to prevent chaos and you from getting hurt.

Prevent you from making your decisions in shortsightedness that would not be safe in the long-term and make decisions for you to ensure that you are not hurt. Saradomin believes he is keeping you safe and protecting you from being hurt by keeping you under supervision. Those whom want to overthrow him or force him to stop would be a threat or danger to that safety it offers + those whom it protects.

You think you know what is best for yourself but that is not necessarily always the case, sometimes if you are left to make decisions for yourself you can either endanger yourself or others in the process.

21-Dec-2016 05:56:56 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 06:08:28 by Padomenes

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