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Vardan

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Browncow45 said :
@Vardan

I got the Zamorak being swayed by Zaros event too, after his followers were ejected. In Zammy's defense, he lost his godly powers making him vulnerable to Zaros natural persuasive abilities, although that raises the question of how he managed to muster enough contempt to ever betray Zaros in the first place. I guess time heals all wounds.

The thing that's bugged me recently though is how Zamorak and the Mahjarrat act toward Seren about the Mah issue. Sure she's the reason why they're near extinct, but she's also the reason they aren't completely extinct. Meanwhile, most of them have done unspeakably horrible acts for purely selfish reasons, with Zamorak making light of mass genocide.

One final note: it's implied Zammy had a one night stand with Marimbo. Does he have any monkey shaped tattoos we should know about?
They're being petty, they're totally cool with abusing "lesser" mortals, but they're butthurt Seren treated them like they treat everyone else. She does bear some blame for pushing them to be warmongers, but I mean it's FRENESKAE. You can't exactly live a quiet life as a farmer there.

We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.

21-Dec-2016 05:14:57

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2020

Dennorak

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My opinion on all the gods afterwards:

Zaros

: I found his "birthright" rant to be rather petty, and I really don't trust anything about him. I knew most of that coming into the quest though, so while I didn't have a positive view of him during the quest it didn't change my overall opinion a lot.

Saradomin

: I thought he was excellently written, both for his highlights and his flaws. I really don't hate him, he's too interesting of a character but he is incredibly arrogant which is irritating. Definitely a well balanced character in flaws/pros.

Armadyl

: Definitely level headed, but I found his constant babbling about how we shouldn't fight and we need peace for Sliske's endgame, yet then going on a crusade against Zamorak because he killed his followers in a war thousands of years ago to be very dumb, and he was definitely blinded by personal loss (his partner)

Zamorak

: I didn't really have a positive or negative view of Zamorak, as I don't think he really did a whole lot in the quest (other than be bad at puzzles

). I don't really take his making light of genocide joke that bad, because A) it wasn't genocide, and B) I also found Armadyl to be annoying at that point

Seren

: Again, somewhat level headed about what was going on, and she helped us in the end so not much to complain about but the Mah thing was despicable.

Zamorakian Lorehound, Flame of Chaos member, Bilrach enthusiast

21-Dec-2016 05:15:19

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2023

Unicornz pwn

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Vardan said :
Unicornz pwn said :
@Vardan

It seems to me his plan to prove his worth will have relatively positive outcomes regardless, if he manages to save the dragon riders. It just seems that his sense of entitlement might push him to revert back to his older ways, which I thought he abandoned.

At the moment, he's simply had his pride wounded and has shown no signs that he's a threat to Gielinor or it's inhabitants, and he still owes Armadyl that favor, which I also believe will have positive consequences whatever it is. (Based on my play through)

Because I don't know what his future path will look like, I have no idea if he plans to do distasteful things to reach his goal. Still, I understand why he's upset and can't judge him for wanting to prove Jas wrong. I just know a large ego is a very dangerous thing, and that is my primary issue with someone like Saradomin.
I understand. The thing is though, Zaros has a bit of an ego too. And a temper as shown when Jas basically told him to get lost. So we'll see what happens, we know Zaros isn't taking "no" for an answer. Looks like he's going to ask each of the other Elder Gods for help.
Exactly. I agree with you, however, at this point Zaros hasn't actually done anything bad due to his wounded pride. I'd say lacking blind trust is the reasonable approach, but just because I'm skeptical doesn't mean I should abandon him.

Though if it does come to that, or he ends up on the chopping block, I'm making a beeline for the Armadyl camp.

"Ego Te Provoco."

The Hooded Zarosian

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21-Dec-2016 05:16:15

Padomenes

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And you think Zaros didn't murder people who were a threat to his "control/order"? Look at the 3 humans who were to be spared/executed under mere suspicion in Children of Mah within the chamber through "kangaroo court" for subtle actions that could have potentially disrupted the ORDER of the empire. You never even read Saradomin's dialogue that he worked as a Justicar that had to deal with intense levels of corruption that were almost unstoppable and through his experiences learnt that only his methods succeeded. Watching civilians all rising and falling, coming up with his own way of permanently maintaining order in a way to make sure that it is invincible from chaos.

Zaros' reaction to Seren having the stone and not letting him have his way looked even more psychopathic than you claim Saradomin to be. This is a public forum so people can say whatever the heck they want on your thread.

21-Dec-2016 05:16:25 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 05:22:47 by Padomenes

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2023

Unicornz pwn

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Lord Remus said :
As a side but interesting note to go with this, how has this quest effected your opinion of the faction followers?

Azzanadra surprised me with his very obvious disgust of Moia, not because of her alligence but her actual race and appearance. Of all the Mahjarrat to react in such a way I didn't think it would be him.

Lol, poor Moia. I actually felt bad for her when Zaros and Azzanadra started to talk about her. Kudos to Zamorak for saying she can speak for herself.
Azzanadra always struck me as a purist and an ideologue so I'm really not surprised by his response. In my play through it was revealed that Sliske murdered his youngest brother for fun, so at the moment I have a big soft spot for him. ;-;

I will say, Zamorak saying Moia is capable of speaking for herself was pretty cool, probably the high point of the quest for him. Everything else was dismally low.

"Ego Te Provoco."

The Hooded Zarosian

Lorehound Extraordinaire

21-Dec-2016 05:19:45 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 05:24:38 by Unicornz pwn

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2023

Unicornz pwn

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Padomenes said :
And you think Zaros didn't murder people who were a threat to his "control/order"? Look at the 3 humans who were to be spared/executed under mere suspicion in Children of Mah within the chamber for subtle actions. Zaros needs more negative lore than this. You never even read Saradomin's dialogue that he worked as a magister that had to deal with intense levels of corruption that were almost unstoppable and through his experiences learnt that only his methods succeeded.
Ye, I killed 2/3 of those guys because they had it coming. Like I said his 2nd age faults were just that, 2nd age, if he reverts we'll have a problem but until then I'll fight for him.

Not sure how Saradomin's job experience gives him a free pass, I still want him dead.

Ty for your impassioned post.

"Ego Te Provoco."

The Hooded Zarosian

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21-Dec-2016 05:22:49

Padomenes

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Unicornz pwn said :
Padomenes said :
And you think Zaros didn't murder people who were a threat to his "control/order"? Look at the 3 humans who were to be spared/executed under mere suspicion in Children of Mah within the chamber for subtle actions. Zaros needs more negative lore than this. You never even read Saradomin's dialogue that he worked as a magister that had to deal with intense levels of corruption that were almost unstoppable and through his experiences learnt that only his methods succeeded.
Ye, I killed 2/3 of those guys because they had it coming. Like I said his 2nd age faults were just that, 2nd age, if he reverts we'll have a problem but until then I'll fight for him.

Not sure how Saradomin's job experience gives him a free pass, I still want him dead.

Ty for your impassioned post. His following from what his experience told him would be the only way to keep order, if Garlandia was allowed to have her way what happens if all of Saradomin's military stopped fighting? The rebels would have came in and murdered everybody, looting everything.

Its stupid to "turn the other cheek" or "be killed" in a "kill or be killed" situation. There has never been any example of it working in history irl or here.

It was still Zaros, you didn't see where he said he would kill/maim Seren if he had to for not letting him having his way. And he would have if the stone wasn't destroyed chances were.

You can't say that because you still try to link Saradomin to 1st age and 3rd age faults as well.

21-Dec-2016 05:25:05 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 05:28:01 by Padomenes

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2013

ZAmorakZaros

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Unicornz pwn said :
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Zamorak

: As much as I want to like Zamorak, he came across as a bid of a lunatic in the quest. Not a nice dude. Makes light of genocide. Sucks at mazes. I've decided Gielinor would be better off with him dead as well.
I found out he is not the only one. Azzanadra has fond memories of slaughtering an entire enemy tribe with Sliske to avenge his little brother's death. Turns out Sliske was the real killer NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

21-Dec-2016 05:29:56

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Unicornz pwn

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Padomenes said :
Unicornz pwn said :
Padomenes said :
And you think Zaros didn't murder people who were a threat to his "control/order"? Look at the 3 humans who were to be spared/executed under mere suspicion in Children of Mah within the chamber for subtle actions. Zaros needs more negative lore than this. You never even read Saradomin's dialogue that he worked as a magister that had to deal with intense levels of corruption that were almost unstoppable and through his experiences learnt that only his methods succeeded.
Ye, I killed 2/3 of those guys because they had it coming. Like I said his 2nd age faults were just that, 2nd age, if he reverts we'll have a problem but until then I'll fight for him.

Not sure how Saradomin's job experience gives him a free pass, I still want him dead.

Ty for your impassioned post. His following from what his experience told him would be the only way to keep order, if Garlandia was allowed to have her way what happens if all of Saradomin's military stopped fighting? The rebels would have came in and murdered everybody, looting everything.

Its stupid to "turn the other cheek" or "be killed" in a "kill or be killed" situation. There has never been any example of it working in history irl or here.

It was still Zaros, you didn't see where he said he would kill/maim Seren if he had to for not letting him having his way. And he would have if the stone wasn't destroyed chances were.

You can't say that because you still try to link Saradomin to 1st age and 3rd age faults as well.
He very clearly has a disgusting view of the Garlandia situation in the 6th age as well but thx for playing.

"Ego Te Provoco."

The Hooded Zarosian

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21-Dec-2016 05:32:21

Padomenes

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Proof of "disgusting view"? He said he had to do what was necessary and did not feel good about it. He did it because he felt it was COMPULSORY and there was 0 other way to prevent his order from failing/collapsing, plus having no standing army of people willing to fight against the rebels that would have killed, plundered everything. And he is convinced this way because throughout life Saradomin found that when he stuck to his ways he always lasted, while everybody else failed or collapsed and fell all the time.

Question is can you prove Saradomin wrong that his methods will stop chaos or collapse of a society permanently? Because he has seen the opposite of what you believe in his experience before he arrived onto gielinor, they always worked out long-term.

21-Dec-2016 05:35:47 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 05:36:32 by Padomenes

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