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Unicornz pwn
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Unicornz pwn

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Padomenes said :
A person can't always be trusted to "know what's best for themselves" 100% of the time.
Thinking that you have the right to decide what's best for others makes you a tyrant and and the world would be better off without people who think that. Saradomin meets that criteria and is a threat to others and therefore needs to die.
"Ego Te Provoco."

The Hooded Zarosian

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21-Dec-2016 06:16:33

Mewzard
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Unicornz pwn said :
Saradomin is not a parent to everyone, and he is not owed loyalty. In that sense he is an entitled and arrogant tyrant who needs to be killed before he inflicts further damage on the world and other innocents

Zaros' entire argument was that he was made from Mah, and so he should be made an Elder God. That's, like, the epitome of one being entitled.

But yeah, we learned a lot about Saradomin both good and bad. His history was quite interesting, being the literal sheriff in his life, a Justicar for Teragard, to defend the Order and protect the Innocent. That it turned into an obsession that cost him personally and affected his family. When he ascended, he unified Teragard to end the pointless territorial disputes and left it confident that his Magisters would be able to see the world into his new age of Enlightenment (unfortunately, 12,000+ years is a long time away from home, and he doesn't know about the Magisters' corruption).

His talk about watching his family wither away one by one, even his personal possessions to remind himself of them, of being barely able to remember his parents' names or the color of his wife's eyes...really hit me in the feels. Of course, we learn that, somehow, he has a surviving daughter...is she a goddess? Adopted? Hard to say, but learning that he would give up the Stone of Jas, the one tool that could make his dreams of Utopia a reality much easier...Saradomin tried to deny his humanity, that the millennia had caused him to change too much...but it seems he still has a soft spot in his heart.

Seren and Zamorak didn't change my views too much from the past due to recent quests. Zamorak was being a bit overly hostile, but his personal sacrifices for his people were respected, and I understand Seren's choices, though they were obviously flawed.

I feel good about Armadyl right now. He's still growing as a person, but I'm glad I learned more.

Zaros...oh boy Zaros...Not his best day.

21-Dec-2016 06:24:58

Hazeel

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Zaros
: Nothing has changed. He is exactly as I've expected him to be. He doesn't have the "excuse" to handle the Elders anymore. They clearly aren't interested and see him as nothing more than a child. If anything he's just going to risk upsetting them.

This quest simply proves he did plan everything in CoM and that, yes, he will do anything and hurt anyone to be an Elder. I am curious if he knew about Char though...in CoM we see her appear in Zamorak's mind (where Zaros was) which would suggest he would be aware from this, but maybe that was just added imagery for the cutscene?

Also Azzanadra is a racist on top of everything else.

Seren
: Not much changed. She needs to accept Mah for what she was: A monster who was willing to kill her, Zaros, and all the Mahjarrat to save herself. I took every oppurtunity to call her out for what she did on the Mahjarrat. Not out of spite, but because for her sake--and everyone else's--she needs to accept who Mah is and that what she did was wrong.

Saradomin
: Well we got his side of the Garlandia story...and honestly it makes him look worse. I feel that he's trying to be too much like Zaros, whether he knows it or not, and all that remains is to fully give up his humanity...something he seems to be trying to do, but can't quite pull off. It's a shame, really, since his humanity is the only thing that puts him above Zaros as a leader.

Armadyl
: He seems to be getting his head out of his ass, and I appreciate him actually thinking logically about his people for once...but at heart, he is a child. Better suited to be a guardian, not a leader, not a guide.

Zamorak
: Nothing has changed. He's always made light of death and this is nothing new. I actually appreciate his sense of humor, though I find his levity regarding death to be interesting, considering his bleeding heart. Oh well, I suppose he's simply aware that there are much worse things than dying. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

21-Dec-2016 06:28:34

Unicornz pwn
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@Mew

Once again, Zaros' sense of entitlement is cause for concern but he didn't kill anyone, just ranted and got booted. There's quite a difference between him and Saradomin on the issue.

Most of Saradomin's backstory didn't come through in my playthrough, which is a bummer, I'm always up for more crazy person lore. Seems he's always been a stick in the mud though.
"Ego Te Provoco."

The Hooded Zarosian

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21-Dec-2016 06:29:46 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 06:32:46 by Unicornz pwn

Padomenes

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Unicornz pwn said :
Padomenes said :
A person can't always be trusted to "know what's best for themselves" 100% of the time.
Thinking that you have the right to decide what's best for others makes you a tyrant and and the world would be better off without people who think that. Saradomin meets that criteria and is a threat to others and therefore needs to die. Are the parents or siblings in society with the exact same mindset whom are protective "tyrants" then that are a "threat to others and therefore needs to die"?

Unicornz pwn said :
@Mew

Once again, Zaros' sense of entitlement is cause for concern but he's didn't kill anyone, just ranted and got booted. There's quite a difference between him and Saradomin on the issue.

Most of Saradomin's backstory didn't come through in my playthrough, which is a bummer, I'm always up for more crazy person lore. Seems he's always been a stick in the mud though. Oh you watch he will to those who get in his way. Even expressing he would kill/maim Seren if she actually got in his way.

21-Dec-2016 06:29:53 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 06:30:49 by Padomenes

Unicornz pwn
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Unicornz pwn

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Padomenes said :
Unicornz pwn said :
Padomenes said :
A person can't always be trusted to "know what's best for themselves" 100% of the time.
Thinking that you have the right to decide what's best for others makes you a tyrant and and the world would be better off without people who think that. Saradomin meets that criteria and is a threat to others and therefore needs to die. Are the parents or siblings in society with the exact same mindset whom are protective "tyrants" then that are a "threat to others and therefore needs to die"?

Unicornz pwn said :
@Mew

Once again, Zaros' sense of entitlement is cause for concern but he's didn't kill anyone, just ranted and got booted. There's quite a difference between him and Saradomin on the issue.

Most of Saradomin's backstory didn't come through in my playthrough, which is a bummer, I'm always up for more crazy person lore. Seems he's always been a stick in the mud though. Oh you watch he will to those who get in his way. Even expressing he would kill/maim Seren if she actually got in his way.
The cognitive dissonance exhibited in that last bit...wowzerz.
"Ego Te Provoco."

The Hooded Zarosian

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21-Dec-2016 06:32:15

Mewzard
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Mewzard

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Unicornz pwn said :
@Mew

Once again, Zaros' sense of entitlement is cause for concern but he didn't kill anyone, just ranted and got booted. There's quite a difference between him and Saradomin on the issue.

Most of Saradomin's backstory didn't come through in my playthrough, which is a bummer, I'm always up for more crazy person lore. Seems he's always been a stick in the mud though.

He didn't, but I fear what this level of rejection to what was a certainty to him might cause him to do something desperate...we have an Elder God Quest coming up soon...we'll see. Just keeping a careful eye on him at this point.

I suppose Saradomin was reluctant to open up to those he didn't trust, but I've almost always been supportive, so he shared with me (outside of TWW, but to be fair, I had never gone to the God Wars Dungeon before then and just assumed all the gods' assorted supporters were crazed lunatics trying to murder Guthix and my friends, along with me).

As for Seren and Saradomin, I didn't see anything like that. I talked it out with them, and while they disagreed, they parted on good terms, as it should be.

Seren and Saradomin both have made tough choices for what they've thought was right in history, that's certainly something they could use as a discussion point for self-improvement.

As the World Guardian, I'm down with helping the good, but flawed gods into even better people. Comes with the job I say.

But yeah, it was a fantastic quest lorewise, and it was nice to see more from the assorted gods, and to finally have Saradomin and Armadyl have places to be met with and talked to.

The post quest with Saradomin was rather touching:

"You have a daughter?"

Saradomin: "Yes, she...she is all that really matters. She means everything to me, I just wish that she could see that. She is safe, my beautiful Adrasteia."

Saradomin told Zaros he considered the Stone of Jas a small price to pay for her safe return. A very human reaction.

21-Dec-2016 07:13:31

Roland Lyons
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Going to make this simple

One True God Tier:
Saradomin

Respected Heathen Tier:
Armadyl
Seren
Desert Panteon

Hated Enemy Tier:
Zamorak
Zaros
Elder Gods

Irrelevant Tier:
Godless
Brassica Prime
Marimbo

Dead Tier:
Guthix
Bandos
V
Sliske
Tuska
I will protect Gielinor. Zaros has no love for its people.

-Saradomin, Polemarchos Autokrator

21-Dec-2016 07:20:38

ZAmorakZaros
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Roland Lyons said :
Going to make this simple

One True God Tier:
Saradomin

Respected Heathen Tier:
Armadyl
Seren
Desert Panteon

Hated Enemy Tier:
Zamorak
Zaros
Elder Gods

Irrelevant Tier:
Godless
Brassica Prime
Marimbo

Dead Tier:
Guthix
Bandos
V
Sliske
Tuska
But Sliske will live in our hearts! And minds. NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

21-Dec-2016 07:26:52

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