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A Mighty

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^Yeah, it's fitting that this thread came out the same day as the new L&H :P

Anyway, enjoyed the read!

One small thing you might consider is to put the references in parenthesis or a different color. They are a bit confusing just being there.
To those cursed by war and pest, Come into the light of Armadyl and rest. This is the law of Armadyl.

11-May-2015 18:11:23

Cthris
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A Mighty said :


One small thing you might consider is to put the references in parenthesis or a different color. They are a bit confusing just being there.

Yeah its pretty odd looking. I wrote it in a word document, and the references were all sub-scripted, but it didn't transfer well. Thanks for the feedback.

11-May-2015 18:25:59 - Last edited on 11-May-2015 18:26:27 by Cthris

Rest in Wake
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Great read after the new L&H. It would be nice if we could eventually get a quest involving the Enchanted Key and the 2nd Age. We're quite powerful in our own right and would be able to stand our ground against most anyone.

Also, another aspect of gaining prestige, as a human, through warfare could be learning Ancient Magicks. It seems like that would have been a lucrative way to establish your importance to the empire as a human. Now, finding someone willing to spend the time and resources to train you is another story, so this would likely be an isolated group of the population.

11-May-2015 19:51:38

Prime Axiom

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Too much speculation on Mod Jack's part. Need something concrete from Osborne. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if humans were treated as second class citizens by the *ahjarrat, Vampyres, and demons. Zaros basically united all the species under his banner and expected them to play nice. Golden Law of Oligarchy took over from there.

Remember, that Zaros did not run his empire. Zamorak held most, if not all, of the millitary power as Legatus Maximus, Sliske in control of the secret police as Praetor Prefectus, and Azzanandra was the leader of the church. Political power was largely in their hands. Towards the end, Zaros all but retreated from his position. The term "Empty Lord" was much more appropriate for Zaros. I can say with absolute certainty that Zaros was not intentionally malevolent towards the human. It is infact, impossible for him to be intentionally malevolent. He simply did not have the foresight to predict what those in authority would do to his empire.

Also, keep in mind that if the Zarosian empire was equivalent to the real life Roman Empire, then the 3rd age in which the Young Gods had free reign would be definitely considered as the Dark Ages. This was the age of religious warfare, famine, death, and devastation. It was an age in which technology and science was lost (burning of the Zarosian empire). If Mod Jack was free to speculate that the Zarosian Empire was equivalent to that of ancient rome, I would speculate that the 3rd age was the equivalent of the Dark Ages.

07-Jun-2015 21:11:30 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2015 21:29:59 by Prime Axiom

Cthris
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Prime Axiom said :

If Mod Jack was free to speculate that the Zarosian Empire was equivalent to that of ancient Rome, I would speculate that the 3rd age was the equivalent of the Dark Ages.

Rest assured, this is in the preface.

Though I would still say Zaros ran his empire, and was aware of the comings and goings. He didn't manage the day to day stuff, but the overall empire, and it's fear program were certain to his image. Fear has always been Zaros' biggest asset.

A perfect example would Pe*our, This guy is terrified of Zaros, the Dread Lord. Through him Zaros is able to see his empire through the eyes of another. Zaros was definitely aware of the fear he was causing. In Zaros; defence, this is what kept him in check, as soon as Zamorak removed this fear, they guy betrayed him.

07-Jun-2015 23:14:40 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2015 23:20:54 by Cthris

The Mather1
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Zaros wouldn't know what fear is though, as it's an emotion.

And he definitely did not approve of subjugation through fear. After all this fear was that of death, and Zaros outlawed the only logical reason there would be to kill.
"Abscondita est in Astra."

07-Jun-2015 23:24:54

Cthris
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The Mather1 said :
Zaros wouldn't know what fear is though, as it's an emotion.

And he definitely did not approve of subjugation through fear. After all this fear was that of death, and Zaros outlawed the only logical reason there would be to kill.

There is a big difference between not knowing, and not feeling. I've never felt the feeling of being schizophrenic, but I can go to school and learn all about it, understand it, and eventually i could even treat it, or if I was really cruel, I could make it a lot worse.

Zaros is the same, he doesn't feel fear, but that doesn't stop him from learning about it, understanding it, and creating it, or removing it.

Can you explain your last little blurb a tiny bit for me?

07-Jun-2015 23:31:47 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2015 23:32:51 by Cthris

The Mather1
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He wouldn't have had the opportunity to learn what fear is though. He would first have to learn that it is a thing, and then he would've either had to have someone explain it to him or he'd have to find a way to witness it. This does not strike me as something he would do, I think he'd rather just dismiss it as "one of those irrational emotions".


The humans, according to those of you who refer to Senntisten as a hostile environment, were in fear of being killed. But the only rational reason for the killing of a human to happen would be for eating, which Zaros stepped in and banned. As Sliske proved there are irrational reasons for killing people, but exactly because they are irrational they are not something Zaros could predict would happen.
So no he did not approve of control through fear, because as far as he could see, he outlawed the only reason humans would have to be afraid.
"Abscondita est in Astra."

08-Jun-2015 00:05:47

Cthris
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He had a huge amount of time to learn, and we know for a fact that he did witness it personally. He bound people to books and read their every though and emotion. He was interested in all aspects of mortal life, why would he skip this part?

There is a lot more rational reasons for killing people, than to eat them. Money, opportunity, power, position etc are all pretty rational, Regardless he cannot have outlawed vampyres from eating people. That's a perfect way to get people to fear you. You don't harvest enough onions, and the vamps will feast on you.

Zaros has never said he was against unification through fear. We know for a fact that he used it to subdue Sennistien. He probably did the exact same thing to other, smaller colonies in order to prevent war. He was known as the Dread Lord, he created fear so that people would obey him. He banned the demons from eating humans because it would be unpractical, not because he didn't want them scared.

So if you continue to disagree, let's agree to disagree :)

08-Jun-2015 00:37:14

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