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Cthris
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@Cyber

You miss understood the way Way 1 works. Guthix would not have to recognize us.
Remember that similar to how there would be multiple versions of the player character, there would be multiple versions of Guthix.

During the events of TLW, the Guthix we talk to is the Guthix of a different universe from the one we are from, and will will choose a version of the world guardian from his own universe.

In Way 1 there would have been an alpha guthix along with an alpha adventure. They would live far different lives than the beta versions in the traditional cycle, and would put the traditional cycle in motion.

Both the Guthix we met in TLW, and the one who chose us would be beta guthix's.

The events would work like this:

Alpha Universe has Alpha Adventure and Alpha Guthix.

Alpha Guthix does not choose Alpha Adventure. Alpha Adventure creates quantum event through time travel and creates first beta universe 1, but they do this in a atypical way to the traditional cycle

The Guthix of beta universe 1 notices Alpha Adventurer and then Beta 1 Guthix chooses Beta 1 Adventurer later in the time stream of beta universe 1.

Beta 1 Adventurer follows the same path as our player character. Eventually they go back in time, creating Beta Universe 2 where the events of Meeting History take place

There they attract Beta 2 Seren. Later they either return back to Beta Universe 1 or take the place of Beta Adventurer 2 at the time that they leave to create Beta Universe 3. (Since Beta 3 would be a near clone, it would be impossible to tell, except for minor differences. Like fruit trees being swapped about)

Beta 1 adventure would then go back in time during TLW and create Beta Universe * where they meet Beta X Guthix. Beta X Guthix will then choose Beta X adventurer later in the time stream of Beta X Universe.

See there is no reason for Guthix to need to recognize the player in TLW because it would be that versions first time meeting us
Continued

30-Jun-2016 19:13:26

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Cybernet377 said :
The idea of DoD being a normal world previously and the differences in the world were caused by a retroactive removal of the WG also doesn't make sense given that in Meeting History and Recipe for Disaster, the world in the present remained unaffected throughout the changes made by the player traveling to and from the pasts, and as Hguoh noted, many things the player is directly responsible for remain consistent before, during, and after doing the quests, implying that the timeline remains consistent and can't be changed in such a massive way as suggested via a result of time-travel.


I did actually explain this.

The reason why things remain consistent before, during and after is because there is what I call a Traditional Cycle. The traditional cycle is created when clone, or near clone universes are made by an alpha universe. It cam be looked at like this Alpha Universe -> Beta 1 Universe - > Clone Universe, or near Clone universe -> Clone Universe and so on and so on.

All clone universes end up with the same results so everything remains consistent.

Clone universes are created through "quantum events" that work to renew the cycle of time consistent between a mother universe and a daughter universe. An example of such an event would be our visit with Guthix in TLW, where we would be meeting a Guthix from another Beta X universe resulting in a different Beta X adventurer being chosen.

30-Jun-2016 19:24:15 - Last edited on 30-Jun-2016 19:25:48 by Cthris

Cthris
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Cybernet377 said :

The canon timeline is already a bundle of knots and curves due to the player messing around with the key, if the best explanation of a many-worlds interpretation of events is that an outside agent kidnapped a baby, dumped it in another reality, and Guthix has already chosen said baby as the WG despite the fact that the baby isn't supposed to exist in said reality, then maybe the many-worlds theory isn't working.

Also it doesn''t didn't understand way 3, which is okay since it's pretty complex. I'll try to do better this time at explaining it.

The alpha adventure would be taken from the alpha world and taken to a Beta X world where Guthix would have met a Beta X-1 adventurer. This Beta X world would have a version of the player character already, but the alpha adventurer would replace them and take their place as Guthix's chosen. Alpha Adventurer would live their life the exact same way the beta clone universe adventurers do, and create more and more clone universes which would result in the creation of the Beta X universe that they currently live on. (This would make this world a near clone world since the events are almost identical, but have slight differences due to inter universe travel)

Okay yeah, I misspoke before. It's not the most likely (way one is more likely), but it does offer a valid explanation for how DoD exists. Way 1 is more likely, but the explanation requires the existence of a lot more clone and near clone universes.

30-Jun-2016 19:39:08 - Last edited on 30-Jun-2016 20:10:31 by Cthris

Cthris
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Cybernet377 said :

I feel that DoD and the canon universes work better as closed systems either not directly connected to one another until the events of the quest, or with a minor variance in the timeline outside of events directly caused by the WG that in turn effected the changes leading to our character either being unborn or not accomplishing anything of note.
Would you mind posting an explanation about how all of that came to be. What you have posted is an label, and not an explanation for how it all came to be. It is impossible for anyone to determine the likelihood between my theory and your theory when you have posted no alternative explanation for anyone to compare my theories too.

30-Jun-2016 19:46:52 - Last edited on 30-Jun-2016 19:50:19 by Cthris

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Lego Miester said :
We also clearly time traveled to Nabor's Asylum at some point in history and sparked Sliske's interest in us, and thus the entire sixth age is our fault. I'm still not 100% sold on the idea that Xau-Tak knows us because of that... A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

01-Jul-2016 06:15:34

Sepulchre
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Solanumtinkr said :
So while it maybe Many worlds in style there are limits to it, rather than run away expansion. As for the consistency principle, the one time traveling would probably be the major event that a Many Worlds would hinge on, rather than what you were traveling back to. Add in some of those indeterminates, and I was thinking if you did change something, maybe one of those indeterminates would be slotted in. That would give you a limited choice of what could happen after you go back, but that would not mean the effect would not be profound. As in DoD profound. So our jumping back in time may have forced the "observation" of a universe similar to ours but without us in it. As by jumping back in time we were a Major Event and branch in the timeline.

No idea if that would mean we made us World Guardian, but I wouldn't rule it out. Did that make some sense? Let's see if I'm understanding what you're trying to say right:

Basically the world tends to recycle itself? There's a finite amount of energy, so all the changes that are made can't actually be made to that world. What we change isn't always going to be the outcome, but because we went back in time to change something, there will be some sort of change? A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

01-Jul-2016 06:24:09

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With Schrodinger's quantum cat it is either alive or dead when the box is open, right? But until the box is opened, it' is in an indeterminate state, neither alive or dead, but as only a possibility of being one or the other. I would say a possibility, an indeterminate state, is like saying I might go the supermarket. You have not being to the supermarket yet, and it may not happen, It only has the potential to happen.

Now the "all changes cannot happen to a world", yes I'd agree with that. Though I'd phrase it more as "all changes that can happen to a world", rather than "all the changes that are made to a world". In the quantum realm, observing it changes it. though until it is "observed" it is neither one nor the other.Though when talking about quantum universes it would become a little more complex, maybe.

If by recycling you mean that world...(energy stream? if could be one of a few) is where the possibilities become a determined state rather than just a potential state, then I think that might be close enough. Quantum realm seems to be a contradiction in itself :P

The part that says what we change maybe not be the outcome....phew, not even going to go there! That part is where everything gets very sticky no matter what model you choose to follow. Though if determination of quantum events is linear, then you never actually go back in time, and something far weirder happens instead. At that point my head kind of spins around and I am out of time I'm going to be late for work if I don't run now.... The purpose of adventure is to shine light into dark places,
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01-Jul-2016 06:56:56 - Last edited on 01-Jul-2016 06:57:33 by Solanumtinkr

Lego Miester
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Sepulchre said :
Lego Miester said :
We also clearly time traveled to Nabor's Asylum at some point in history and sparked Sliske's interest in us, and thus the entire sixth age is our fault. I'm still not 100% sold on the idea that Xau-Tak knows us because of that...

It's the only explanation that makes sense as to why our name would be on the list and someone influenced by Xau-tak knew our names. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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01-Jul-2016 07:08:15

Sepulchre
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Lego Miester said :
Sepulchre said :
Lego Miester said :
We also clearly time traveled to Nabor's Asylum at some point in history and sparked Sliske's interest in us, and thus the entire sixth age is our fault. I'm still not 100% sold on the idea that Xau-Tak knows us because of that...

It's the only explanation that makes sense as to why our name would be on the list and someone influenced by Xau-tak knew our names. Not at all. There are other explanations.
Reincarnation of someone by the same name as us
Ability to see into the future (by Xau-Tak and/or the bookkeep, or both.)
Our name was written after the sailor said it
The sailor read that name off the book and we happen to have the same name

Time Travel is a very likely possibility, but it's not the only one. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

01-Jul-2016 07:23:03

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