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Hazeel

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I can't speak for Dethal regarding his stance on it, but I can tell you all that he and Sky talked it out and worked to ensure that this didn't happen again.

Raxxess said :
On a separate note I have seen you turn a lot more attention to Armadyl. And i honestly have a problem that you said "rustle armadylean jimmies" instead of "rustle armadylean feathers" like it almost hurts me that you didnt

...I'm actually disapointed in myself now.

Raleirosen said :
A few more cents on this topic:

Ultimately, Paladin's antics are harmless and do not impact the chat in any way beyond damaging a few sensibilities. Likewise, trying to prune the FC by getting rid of people who don't contribute or are otherwise considered bad eggs is a useless (and potentially detrimental) effort.

To add onto this, if people stopped freaking out over faction bashing, Paladin would be completely and utterly harmless. Faction bashing only causes problems when people get too sensetive over their fictional characters. Personally, I think people should just toughen up overall, but because we deal with a diverse set of users, I'm willing to compromise my beliefs a bit on this...but there's a line. The line is fiction vs reality, and as long as it stays in fiction, it is completely unreasonable to make such an issue over it. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

08-Dec-2016 04:07:44

Eren Lapucet

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Kanarthasis said :
-Yawn- Same FC drama, different day. Why can't you just play the game and like enjoy it or something. I'm bored of this, it's not even entertaining drama anymore. I mean there's more politics and crusades going on in here than the entire last 2000 years. ROFL.

As someone who uses the fc very frequency I can say that drama rarely happens in the fc. I'm too Unaligned to have a forum signature.

08-Dec-2016 04:34:52

Raxxess

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Hazeel said :
To add onto this, if people stopped freaking out over faction bashing, Paladin would be completely and utterly harmless. Faction bashing only causes problems when people get too sensetive over their fictional characters. Personally, I think people should just toughen up overall, but because we deal with a diverse set of users, I'm willing to compromise my beliefs a bit on this...but there's a line. The line is fiction vs reality, and as long as it stays in fiction, it is completely unreasonable to make such an issue over it.

I kind of like allowing faction bashing as long as its fun fictional and nothing on the person themselves it can be fun stuff and if we banned it the lore fc would be really dull.

But people like you said when it draws beyond reality is a problem, and honestly when I think of someone that takes factions beyond fiction its always paladin.

My personal concerns here is that Sky is getting all the flak for something that really wasn't the abuse of power we are making it out to be, Paladin does this all the time and its nothing new and no one seems to be denying that so I just dont see him as the victim here. It just seems like old school factioneering and back when clans wanted to have the bragging rights of saying their faction had the most generals in the FC which was kind of slimy.

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08-Dec-2016 04:35:52

Hazeel

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When it comes to factions and reality, everything in the game is fine. I don't care how many times you call Saradomin a wing ripper, Zamorak a weakling, or Zaros a sociopath. You start edging the line when you compare Saradomin to Hitler, Zaros to Stalin, etc. You cross the line when it reaches the players.

If you start calling Loopy a fascist, Rally a sociopath, or Ascertes a Nazi, you've crossed the line. That's when it's appropiate for a general to take action. And--as far as I know--Paladin hasn't crossed this line often if ever. Honestly, I haven't seen him even make many real world comparisons either. As far as faction bashing goes (quantity aside) this is as tame as it gets.

Raxxess said :
It just seems like old school factioneering and back when clans wanted to have the bragging rights of saying their faction had the most generals in the FC which was kind of slimy.

1) I don't recall this ever happening.

2) By the time we abandoned the 3 generals per clan rule, clans had lost all power anyway. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

08-Dec-2016 04:56:41 - Last edited on 08-Dec-2016 04:58:24 by Hazeel

Raleirosen

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Raxxess said :
My personal concerns here is that Sky is getting all the flak for something that really wasn't the abuse of power we are making it out to be, Paladin does this all the time and its nothing new and no one seems to be denying that so I just dont see him as the victim here. To clarify, I don't think anyone is thinking of Paladin as a victim, or even giving Jexel all that much flak. It isn't big enough of an issue to get really invested over assigning blame. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

08-Dec-2016 07:04:09 - Last edited on 08-Dec-2016 07:04:27 by Raleirosen

Raxxess

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Raleirosen said :
Raxxess said :
My personal concerns here is that Sky is getting all the flak for something that really wasn't the abuse of power we are making it out to be, Paladin does this all the time and its nothing new and no one seems to be denying that so I just dont see him as the victim here. To clarify, I don't think anyone is thinking of Paladin as a victim, or even giving Jexel all that much flak. It isn't big enough of an issue to get really invested over assigning blame.

Right no one is but as I understand it that was how Dethal saw it because Sky was given a warning and really nothing happened to Paladin.

And we have to be honest with ourselves here if this was reversed and it was an old school zarosian FC general that kicked some new Saradominist member the same people claiming pladin didnt do anything wouldn't really have cared. The major criticism about the lore fc is that it's really cliquey and the whole point of new generals was to make it more inclusive and get people who avoided it for that reason to join back and it worked so far, but stuff like this is just more of the same old @#$%.

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08-Dec-2016 13:43:33

Ava Enithesi

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Paladin just always throws bait out there, hoping for a bite...he's an annoying insect. On the one hand, those saying that Paladin dindu nuffin are kind of right; he's too stupid and childish to take seriously, I just let him yell at the TV and don't let myself get baited by an obvious troll. On the other hand, I don't feel any sympathy for his being kicked, because it's pretty clear to me that he's always trying to milk that old LOLcow (legitimately every time I see him talk in the chat, it's the usual "I almost stopped Saradomin guise!" tripe) even though that LOLcow has been milked and beaten to death so much that not only was it reduced to a bloody pulp, it's now just a stain on a patch of dirt that's fading because Animal Control unceremoniously hauled it away months ago and the occasional rain has almost managed to wash it away.

TL;DR even though Paladin is just one of the last cicadas of the cycle to me, very occasionally making his presence known with his empty bloviations, I wouldn't be sad to see him go; nothing of value would be lost.

08-Dec-2016 15:20:42

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Cthris

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Ava Enithesi said :
Paladin just always throws bait out there, hoping for a bite...he's an annoying insect. On the one hand, those saying that Paladin dindu nuffin are kind of right; he's too stupid and childish to take seriously

So quick question.. When did it become okay to personally attack other players and not npcs? Heck, when did this become less worse than trolling? At least trolling can be done in a way to no personally attack anyone. If anyone deserves kicking it's whoever says things like this about another players.

08-Dec-2016 16:56:32 - Last edited on 08-Dec-2016 16:57:22 by Cthris

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Cthris

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Raxxess said :
. The major criticism about the lore fc is that it's really cliquey and the whole point of new generals was to make it more inclusive and get people who avoided it for that reason to join back and it worked so far, but stuff like this is just more of the same old @#$%.
Just so you know I think that jagex removed the censors. Now you can say shit in its full entirety

08-Dec-2016 17:00:43

Vardan

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Cthris said :
Raxxess said :
. The major criticism about the lore fc is that it's really cliquey and the whole point of new generals was to make it more inclusive and get people who avoided it for that reason to join back and it worked so far, but stuff like this is just more of the same old @#$%.
Just so you know I think that jagex removed the censors. Now you can say shit in its full entirety
I've waited for this day all my life.

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08-Dec-2016 17:08:20

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