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Ascertes

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I'm just going to point this out here, if we decide to go with option 2, we're not likely going back to the whole 6 month election cycle. Everyone I've talked to, and everyone I've seen on this thread, are of the consensus that this system was faulty and caused unnecessary drama. I agree completely.

However, I want an election for generals because I think the FC should get a say in who is put forth to run and moderate the chat. When this new system was randomly and suddenly implemented, we saw the immediate backlash when the vast majority of people got absolutely no input into this decision.

No disrespect to Dethal, I think he has done a fabulous job, but letting him run everything leads the way to corruption. This sudden appointment of new generals was made after a select group of people went and whispered in Dethal's ear to put a system in place that they approved of. Plus, it's not fair to put all of this on him.

Yes, I know I'm in a minority. If people want Dethal to run things, I'm okay with that, but please consider what that could mean in the future for possible general appointees. The role of a general is one to moderate the chat, but let's not pretend they do not hold influence and sway within the chat. An election can ensure that the generals appointed are ones that have at least some degree of approval within the chat.

Just my two cents.

EDIT: Fixed a typo. I meant to say "no DISrespect to Dethal." -Ascertes, King of all the Hallowlands and the Everchosen of Saradomin.

19-Mar-2016 20:14:07 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2016 03:28:55 by Ascertes

Amascut
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Im Rubic said :
Amascut said :
I'm tired of the backdoor backstabbing, the whining, the bribing, the arguments, the playing politics, and the awful behavior every time we try to decide who is vaguely not horrid enough to let them have the ability to kick. Are we not above that?

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Amascut said :
The reason I don't lean towards Option 3 is simply that I enter the FC one day to see the specific person who started the grubbiness last election cycle, Uni...

Amascut said :
...person who started the grubbiness last election cycle, Uni...

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I guess we aren't above it after all.

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19-Mar-2016 20:14:16

Im Rubic
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Im Rubic

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Ascertes said :
However, I want an election for generals because I think the FC should get a say in who is put forth to run and moderate the chat. When this new system was randomly and suddenly implemented, we saw the immediate backlash when the vast majority of people got absolutely no input into this decision.

So people who wanted power got upset that they no longer had power?

Of course there's going to be backlash when some one's opinion isn't implemented. If you are going to try and find a solution in which everyone is happy, then you're going have a disappointing search.

In addition, from my recollection, the backlash just included only a few vocal members who's response forced other's to speak up because they were tired of the complaints from those same members.

Ascertes said :
No respect to Dethal, I think he has done a fabulous job, but letting him run everything leads the way to corruption.

If having a gold star that allows you to kick spammers and nothing else is corruption, then everyone is corrupted. While I do understand that a single person's decision has the potential to be extremely bad, it also has the potential to be just as good.

If we come to the conclusion that generals have just as much say in voicing their opinion as everyone else, and generals can only kick spammers/extreme rules while Dethal is the only person who is allowed to ban/remove potential trouble-makers, then there shouldn't be an issue.
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19-Mar-2016 22:29:38

Derack
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You forgot to put my name on the list, voting for option 2.

For whatever this is all worth it..
"If you believe you can distance yourself from the harm you cause, you're deluding yourself. You're not some mindless tool. You're accountable. Your actions will catch up with you eventually." -Jedi Master Jun Seros; Swtor Bounty Hunter storyline.

19-Mar-2016 23:45:44 - Last edited on 19-Mar-2016 23:46:20 by Derack

Eren Lapucet

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It's an odd feeling seeing the majority of people voting for a system which will put an end to any form of voting in the future, on any issue.

Anyways, I will be intentionally annoying and not vote "because Unaligned". I'm too Unaligned to have a forum signature.

20-Mar-2016 00:56:46

Ascertes

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Eren Lapucet said :
It's an odd feeling seeing the majority of people voting for a system which will put an end to any form of voting in the future, on any issue.

It is, kind of. I hope people realize that transcends more than just Generals. -Ascertes, King of all the Hallowlands and the Everchosen of Saradomin.

20-Mar-2016 02:30:37

Im Rubic
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Eren Lapucet said :
It's an odd feeling seeing the majority of people voting for a system which will put an end to any form of voting in the future, on any issue.

Anyways, I will be intentionally annoying and not vote "because Unaligned".

I think people rather not deal with drama and issues themselves and are hoping all of that's secluded away with someone who they trust can deal with it. Which this option does a good job of allowing that to be the case.
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