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2020

Dennorak

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Don't use the 'did you expect Saradomin to stay away while Zamorak could possibly hit someone when trying to get the power out of the ground' excuse. If Zamorak wanted to hit someone he could have but he didn't. He had no desire to kill the people even when they were right next to the power he wanted

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01-Nov-2013 22:36:10

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2023

William Witt

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Denorrak, Scootaderp said 'And he was not exactly going to just let Zamorak (who at this point had shown his willingness to blast stuff regardless of people standing there) take it, was he?'

If you'll look at the cutscene, this is indeed the case. Zamorak blasted seams of power without regard for the people standing there - They could have been killed.

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01-Nov-2013 22:49:08

Moon Man

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Fates Pyro said :
Scootaderp said :
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Hmmm…interesting but just a few things

He did a great job with Lumbridge did*’t he, initiated the battle, took the power and left, he seemed very concerned with Lumbridge and his people

'Initiated the battle'
Well what was he meant to do, realistically, just let Zamorak blast up the ground and possibly start hitting people?

'Took the power and left'
Despite his victory, his forces suffered heavy losses. After any large-scale battle, the leader of an army does not stand around when they have far more pressing matters, like regrouping so they can face any new threats that might arise.

'Seemed very concerned with Lumbridge and its people'
Let's see, stayed in hiding for three months, then the moment Zamorak starts blasting up the ground and nearly killing people (and let's face it, Zamorak would not have cared if he did) Saradomin showed up, forfeiting any future element of surprise that he was back, in order to stop him. Stop him from taking the shards... he wasnt there to protect Lumbridge he was there to fight Zamorak

Can we not agree that Saradomin wanted to protect Lumbridge from Zamorak and get the tears? I mean, honestly. Saradomin is not evil, and repeating something does not make it true.

02-Nov-2013 01:44:11

Shudzaki

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I don't think there is much doubt that Saradomin has "his people" at heart, and thinks he is working for the greater good, but he has the mind of a child. His pragmatism goes hand in hand with his unchecked ego. He is at once protective, grandiose, and petty.

It reminds me of the line from the movie "Last King of Scotland:" "You're a child. That's what makes you so scary."

Armadyl seems to be what Saradomin might have been had he been tempered with broader view of events around him, but perhaps one needed the big blue guy's narrow vision and drive to counteract Zamorak.

02-Nov-2013 07:28:59

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2021

Fates Pyro

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Moon Man said :
Fates Pyro said :
Scootaderp said :
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Hmmm…interesting but just a few things

He did a great job with Lumbridge did*’t he, initiated the battle, took the power and left, he seemed very concerned with Lumbridge and his people

'Initiated the battle'
Well what was he meant to do, realistically, just let Zamorak blast up the ground and possibly start hitting people?

'Took the power and left'
Despite his victory, his forces suffered heavy losses. After any large-scale battle, the leader of an army does not stand around when they have far more pressing matters, like regrouping so they can face any new threats that might arise.

'Seemed very concerned with Lumbridge and its people'
Let's see, stayed in hiding for three months, then the moment Zamorak starts blasting up the ground and nearly killing people (and let's face it, Zamorak would not have cared if he did) Saradomin showed up, forfeiting any future element of surprise that he was back, in order to stop him. Stop him from taking the shards... he wasnt there to protect Lumbridge he was there to fight Zamorak

Can we not agree that Saradomin wanted to protect Lumbridge from Zamorak and get the tears? I mean, honestly. Saradomin is not evil, and repeating something does not make it true. in making his camp he destroyed hanks shop whic if he didnt leave to help jack he would have died... I dont think Saradomin wanted to get the tears at first.. he was there simply to fight Zamorak his age old enemy but needed the tears to get the edge on him... we might as well stop i have my opinion you have yours

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02-Nov-2013 15:33:27 - Last edited on 02-Nov-2013 15:33:59 by Fates Pyro

Dec

2023

Mewzard

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But Hank's shop was in the blast radius, not all that close to the camp, especially considering the world scale is supposed to be bigger than the game gives us.

The only people actually affected by Saradomin's Camp are Fred the Farmer (who moved his farm on his own, and made fun of those relying on the rebuilding guys, saying they were soft), and the H.A.M. headquarters, which is extremely hilarious to me.

Hank might have thought it was Saradomin's doing, since he's far closer to Saradomin's camp, but the Combat Training grounds are closer to the Camp than Hank's shop, and they weren't affected by the camp. He just got hit in the blast radius and got upset. Fair enough. We'll rebuild his shop better than ever though. I have no issue being on cleanup duty. It builds character.

I'm more disturbed that Zamorak did extensive damage to the Swamp. A Swamp might not always be visually appealing, but that really does add to the damage to the local ecosystem (the forest being blow up was bad enough).

Speaking of the swamp, I want to know if doing that Prayer event in the Swamp might affect lore. It had a clear conclusion, so I imagine fixing it must have done something....

03-Nov-2013 22:22:48

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2008

Markthorn

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Saradomin is supposed to be one of the "good" gods. I'm not saying he is evil, but if you have to make a thread explaining and argumenting why Saradomin is Good, then that means there's something wrong with him in the first place (you don't see people writing about ''why Bandos is a warmonger''). I don't care what I read, I don't care if he is sorry for what he did, I'm just not going to ally myself with someone who thinks he knows what is best for the world. Being the "God of Wisdom" does not entitle Saradomin to dictate what goes and what doesn't. Of course, you are free to follow whoever you want. I figure you might hate the god I follow and that's alright, we all fight for what we believe in.

Communism will win.

04-Nov-2013 23:03:22 - Last edited on 04-Nov-2013 23:09:19 by Markthorn

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William Witt

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Markthorn said :

I'm not saying he is evil, but if you have to make a thread explaining and argumenting why Saradomin is Good, then that means there's something wrong with him in the first place (you don't see people writing about ''why Bandos is a warmonger'').

There's been rather negative sentiment on the forums towards Armadyl since the revelation that he wants to kill Bandos instead of being a pacifistic negotiator.

Does this necessarily mean that Armadyl isn't 'good', and that there's something wrong with him?

As I said in my post, people seem to keep saying things about Saradomin that contradict what the JMods themselves have said. For example (just one example of many), I see people claim that Saradomin in truth cares nothing for his followers and is purely self-interested. The JMod quotes in this thread clearly state this is not the case -

Thus players' issue with Saradomin may not be based on the 'real' Saradomin, but upon what they imagine Saradomin to be like - This thread should display that not everything they imagine about him is actually true.

It was for instance believed that Zaros would return to create a 1984-style authoritarian dictatorship. We now know this isn't the case at all, but if you saw players commonly using that as an argument against Zaros, surely you would want to point out to them that the JMods have indicated this to be false.

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04-Nov-2013 23:21:33 - Last edited on 10-Nov-2013 18:13:30 by William Witt

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2008

Markthorn

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Kittyphantom, I believe every single thing the Mods have said about Saradomin, I even believe what you say, because I think you wouldn't be blatantly lying about your god if you were trying to convince angry people that he is good. I just happen to have a different interpretation of him. If you want a solid point, what I dislike the most about Saradomin is that he keeps claiming he wants what is best for the world, but neither him or his followers have a single problem in killing off who doesn't agree with him. Padomenes said himself something like this:

"(...)I try to bring light to those who do not follow Saradomin as the true god, but for the ones who won't listen, the ones who would take up arms against him like Zamorak and his followers seem to do, we must bring them down and..." you know the rest.

So you see, I understand that his actual nature is of good and order, but I can't make peace with this sort of philosophy. If he would just say "I'm the god that wants to be worshiped, and those who don't obey will die" that would be one less thing about him that I would dislike, but that's not the case. If you can live with that though, go ahead, there's not anything wrong with that.

Communism will win.

04-Nov-2013 23:54:06 - Last edited on 04-Nov-2013 23:55:12 by Markthorn

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2023

Mewzard

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I think you're misunderstanding what he's saying. The key part seems to be "the ones who would take up arms against him like Zamorak and his followers seem to do".

Zamorak has, several times, fought against Saradomin, his followers right behind him in bloodshed.

I don't think I could follow Saradomin if he said what you said he should say. That said, I also don't think he wants to kill all non-believers and all opposing gods.

If he wanted to kill all non-believers, why did he stop his attack on the Naragi and try (unsuccessfully) to fight off Tuska to save them?

If he wanted to kill all non-believers and gods, why did he work with Armadyl for an extended period of time in the past?

If followers were all that mattered, why didn't he just kill all non-Imcando Dwarves to prevent Zamorak from getting Chaos Dwarves? That would be easier than countering a curse to solve a problem (could just send soldiers).

Flawed or not, I think he does care about the people, even outside his flock. That said, he can't just let people run around and kill his people and others. When it comes to gods and their followers who oppose him and his people with war, he won't stand for it. Enough people die as is in the fights. Inaction during war could cost his followers many more lives.

10 years I've stood by Saradomin and fought for what I believe is right, and to protect those who can't protect themselves (I've also always chosen to spare lives if it wasn't at the cost of many more).

If I didn't think he meant well and cared for people (and not just his own), I'd be hanging out with the Armadyleans or Serenists instead. But, I don't feel that way.

05-Nov-2013 06:57:20

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