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Vardan

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Zulkir said :
Siegfreid said :
SwedishPagns said :
"Zaros is better than my god so he sucks."
-Entire Saradominist faction.

Just needed to correct you there Kidda ;)
ZAROS isn't so bad as much as the bias showed to him by Jagex is. I don't mind Ozzy and the rest having a favorite god, but they kinda need to reign their fanboyism in. On the other hand they HAVE given him some negative traits, and the Sixth Age isn't over yet so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and hope they don't make siding with him the clear cut "perfect" option.

FOT*'s "Are you sure you want sabotage Zaros? Are you REALLY SURE? Are you reallllly sure?" Screens compared to immediately helping Zaros if you chose that option was annoying.
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30-Oct-2014 14:27:54

Zulkir

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Vardan said :
Zulkir said :
Siegfreid said :
SwedishPagns said :
"Zaros is better than my god so he sucks."
-Entire Saradominist faction.

Just needed to correct you there Kidda ;)
ZAROS isn't so bad as much as the bias showed to him by Jagex is. I don't mind Ozzy and the rest having a favorite god, but they kinda need to reign their fanboyism in. On the other hand they HAVE given him some negative traits, and the Sixth Age isn't over yet so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and hope they don't make siding with him the clear cut "perfect" option.

FOT*'s "Are you sure you want sabotage Zaros? Are you REALLY SURE? Are you reallllly sure?" Screens compared to immediately helping Zaros if you chose that option was annoying.

I sympathise with the constant "Are you Sure?" messages, but Like it or not Zaros isn't lying through his metaphorical teeth when he's emphasising the threat of the elders, He'd need to be at full power for openers so the young gods, if they do find out about him, they can't do anything to stop him.

Although Maybe Jagex really did want to make sure you wanted to Sabotage him.

Idk.
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30-Oct-2014 14:43:29

Vardan

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Oh I don't dismiss the threat. I brought Zaros back to full power because right now he's the only one with even an outline of a plan . It's not a great plan, since "smashing the Elder God Halls" and then asking them to ascend him to tier 1 sounds like it could go very, very badly . Right now though I'd really like a backup plan in case that goes south, and really prefer not to have all my eggs in one basket.
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30-Oct-2014 15:10:50

Siegfreid
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Zulkir said :
Siegfreid said :
SwedishPagns said :
"Zaros is a mary sue who gets far more content than the other gods so he sucks."
-Entire Saradominist faction.

Just needed to correct you there Kidda ;)

Sorry, but I had to correct you there. I know it isn't your fault since you've pretty much guzzled the Zaros Kool-Aid and can't see it any other way, but your bias coupled with blatant falsehoods forced me to correct it.
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30-Oct-2014 16:54:13 - Last edited on 30-Oct-2014 17:02:43 by Siegfreid

Siegfreid
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Vardan said :
Oh I don't dismiss the threat. I brought Zaros back to full power because right now he's the only one with even an outline of a plan . It's not a great plan, since "smashing the Elder God Halls" and then asking them to ascend him to tier 1 sounds like it could go very, very badly . Right now though I'd really like a backup plan in case that goes south, and really prefer not to have all my eggs in one basket.

That's actually why I didn't bring Zaros back up at full power, aside from his sketchy past, manipulative nature, his immoral and bizarre experiments (the Nihil seem to be more of a weapon than cure) and contradicting dialogue. His plan is so full of his own ego and hubris that it's doomed from the start, since he seems to forget the elders would likely see him as abomination that threatened them and their reproductive cycle and deal with him appropriately. The less of a chance Zaros has of putting his plan into action means we have more time to prepare and get other powerful beings on board to try and stop the elders. I'm not going to let some entitled Ken doll bring about the apocalypse because of his delusions of grandeur.
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30-Oct-2014 17:02:01

Zulkir

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Siegfreid said :
Zulkir said :
Siegfreid said :
SwedishPagns said :
"Zaros gets far more content than any other god, So I'll cry mary-sue.."
-Entire Saradominist faction.

Just needed to correct you there Kidda ;)

Sorry, but I had to correct you there. I know it isn't your fault since you've pretty much guzzled Saradomins blue wooden wand and can't see it any other way, but your bias coupled with blatant falsehoods forced me to correct it.
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30-Oct-2014 17:13:01

Lord Bilrach

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The problem isn't so much that Zaros is a mary sue, more that Jagex is awful at showing his flaws. FOT* highlighted this. After receiving almost nothing but good lore, this was a good time to show Zaros' flaws. While his flaws are apparent, the problem is that instead of highlighting them as they have for other Gods, Jagex really likes to hide them.

A huge problem in general is that a lot of flaws don't have their flaws highlighted enough. This is shown by how willingly people deny them. Like with Armadyl, Jagex has shown his flaws pretty clearly but there's still plenty of people in denial over it. To a lesser extent, this is the case for Seren. The flaws are easy to notice, but people still deny they exist because they haven't been highlighted enough.

With Zaros, you really need to look deep to see his flaws. Yes, he isn't going to paint himself in a bad image, but that's no excuse. We could have interacted with MANY characters in FOT*, maybe even other Dreams of Mah who knew things about Zaros personally.

30-Oct-2014 18:11:42

SwedishPagns

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"Zaros is 20% cooler than the smurf."
-Rainbow Dash

But on a more serious note, why would anyone actually sabotage Zaros? He has good intentions, even though he did questionable things, and he wants to stop Gielinor from being destroyed by the evil elder gods. He doesn't even want to be worshipped (unlike Saradork and the Usurper) and he wants the world to belong to mortals, like Guthix. He's clearly the noblest, most honorable, and most righteous god. How can you not side with something so good? ·
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