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Yusou Bhoroi

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Where possible, memories are given in their entirety, with pertinent parts highlighted, as context is important: While we are missing some context with the memories, it is very evident that these represent actual account, rather than parody, or 'what if's.



"...a chance to teach Aagi about the tradition of hospitality . She sat on the nomad’s lap and nodded like a serious grown-up, although I don’t think she understood his story. The nomad told us about a magical disturbance near Askroth. The diviners were ecstatic; saying that it had opened up whole new lines of research. The most popular theory was that it was a portal, and that it was yet to fully open. A portal to another world! The diviners were arranging a welcoming committee ..."

They evidently do not have a tradition of being aggresive to otherness, and find it important to pass on this ethic.

While we are not aware of what their idea of hospitality is, if you refer to Kaigi's journal, their approaches towards the Airuit are not hostile, and there is no evidence that they had any form of aggressive display as part of that welcome.

Even when this is thought to be to another World, they are not phased, and have no stated wish to prevent people comming, nor aggression towards them once they arrive.

Please note the diviners; their position in the sosciety; and their intentions of being welcoming to the arrivals. They are referenced in the next quote, and I see no reason to assume they were a different group than those mentioned in this one.

24-Oct-2014 11:11:12 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2014 11:38:44 by Yusou Bhoroi

Yusou Bhoroi

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"...since dawn in the
refugee
camp, and I was exhausted. The news from Askroth became worse with each band to arrive. The great city of Askroth was no more. Terrified
refugees
spoke of a blue man the size of a mountain. The diviners had angered him, they said, and in that anger he had razed the city. They pointed to a building on the horizon, built on the ruins of Askroth. The giant's army was marching downriver. Our cities were assembling armies of their own, but I did*’t see how they would stand a..."


Repeated use of the word 'refugee', both in this source, and in the document we have from this time (along with reference to cities) point to how the sosciety in question was one developed, and had deliniation between a settled life, one of travel, and one of forced movement without ability to provide, in fear of something.

There may have been regular soldiers, as indeed some of the wording may hint to. There appears to have been mainly untrained citizens, at the later stages, though -

"There has been unrest within the refugee camp - some have been following Na**x, who suggests we take arms and fight back" - Kaigi's Journal.

It is unclear, but the implication may be that not all those in the camp were fighters.

The fact that the Cities - permenent and concentrated bodies of people, were needing to assemble armies suggests that they hadn't got a large enough standing garrison to defend themselves, in normal times; while this may mean that ordinary people may have been partially, or indeed as fully as was possible, trained in milatary 'arts', it seems reasonable to deduce that they were not regularly based in the cities and may have needed some time to draw in from the surroundings.

The order of the wording here, along with it being a secondry (and now tertiary) source, could be ambiguous, but it suggests that Saradomin was large before being 'offended'.

24-Oct-2014 11:11:17 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2014 12:10:13 by Yusou Bhoroi

Yusou Bhoroi

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The diviners come up again in this memory; and if we are to go back, and see their prior intentions, then we can ascertain that their first meeting was intended to be a welcome, and of friendly nature.

Given that the beings comming through the portal were entering a new World, one where they were the aliens, and were encountering another developed and 'civilised' race (while having, themselves, an easy route back to their place of origin, and no apparent need to stay, if they did not wish to), we can assume that they would need, by our own standards, something of great importance wrong for them to suddenly attack, if not attacked first. Even if attacked, it would not be necessarily representative of the race they encountered, as a whole, and they had any easy route of escape, and thus no discernable need to prove themselves.

It is clear that the Naragi in question attributed the attack to Saradomin himself, and not his followers.. though this may be just wording.

A whole city was razed as retribution for one act, which given the intentions of the welcoming party, was unlikely to have been something involving death on the visitors' part.

Once one city - the most important one, to the native inhabitants, had been destroyed (we have no evidence that it was the best defended, though - there is no mention of walls of fortifications for any of the cities), advances are made upon the rest of the populace, who are not directly threatening a withdrawal. Whats more, from the forces described in the last section of the memory, the cities combined seem to pose not much hope of resistance against Saradomin's army, so as an active threat they would have been minimal, and given the Naragi's wish to be welcoming, along with their ability to self-blame, and willingness reach compromises (evidenced in Kaigi's Journal, 1st entry), we could be drawn to ask why there was no move to convert, or to leave those who were unable to defend themselves.

24-Oct-2014 11:38:52 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2014 13:00:13 by Yusou Bhoroi

Yusou Bhoroi

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Given that the refugee camps appear to have been in the poorer habitat

"Only last week, we thought that salvation was around the corner. Our brave foragers, who risk looking for food outside of the refugee zone, noticed a creature, new to our world, appearing through a magical portal" - Kaigi's Journal, 1st Entry

it could be seen that the drive was to conquer, and take the land
*
, rather than to make contact, or even live peacefully coexisting (even as conqueror and ruler, which can be done without userping a whole People).


We don't have evidence in these sources as to why there was a need to come to that World; nor is there evidence on how easy it was to make a portal there, or indeed to other Worlds, to find one more suitable
**
. However, peacefulness doesn't appear to have been the intention in the begining. I shall now go on to propose that that did not change at any point.




*

The land that the Naragi built their cites on was presumably the optimum living space that the planet provided, at least in that area, and with certain considerations to the environment. This land, the land Saradomin took, is also suggested to be the more viable land in the following extract from Kaigi's Journal -

Only last week, we thought that salvation was around the corner. Our brave foragers, who risk looking for food outside of the refugee zone, noticed a creature, new to our world, appearing through a magical portal. It was as tall as a naragi, and walked on two arms and two legs. It was also quick to ambush Saradomin's scouts.

This suggests that the refugee zone in question was not one that was fully able to support them, though they may not have had the means to extract it's full potetial (for more, see the next quote); while the fact that Saradomin's scouts were in the area being foraged from, suggests that it was between the two groups. This land was, "Years" later, of better ....

24-Oct-2014 11:38:57 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2014 13:48:43 by Yusou Bhoroi

Yusou Bhoroi

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fertility than that which the Naragi were forced into, yet it was still not the land which had immediately surrounded the cities, and which Saradomin now occupied - they are scouts, not guards or a patrol.

"I considered sending her away with the refugees, more of whom left each year, but they were running out of places to go." - Guthix' Memory (4th)




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A possibility is that the diviners had some similarities to the Divination that we practice, on Gielinor, in that they siphon energy directly from objects. If they had been drawing energy from the portal, Saradomin may have seen this as a threat, at first, but that doesn't justify continuation of conflict, once sizes had been ascertained (it can even be argued that it doesn't justify the initial strike, if this was indeed the source of the anger). Switching location to open a portal (either to somewhere else on the planet, or to another planet), would presumably be an option; while we're not knowledgable about portalscience, Saradomin had enough energy to complete the portal large enough for whole armies, and then destroy a whole civilisation, afterwards, so switching location, or in the least - conatacting before fully opening it, don't seem to be outrageous demands on power.

Given the knowledge and power of Saradomin, would he have to rely on talking to ascertain the intentions of another being?

24-Oct-2014 11:39:01 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2014 13:54:43 by Yusou Bhoroi

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Cooking then eating lunch, then taking dog out, and then need to pop into work, so this may remain unfinished for some hours. If you'd please be willing, I'd appreciate if you could await the completion before reply, as even the first parts may not be finished till then, and may not convey their intended points. Thank you in advance! :)

24-Oct-2014 11:39:06 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2014 11:50:17 by Yusou Bhoroi

Vardan

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SwedishPagns said :
"Saradomin sucks."
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30-Oct-2014 04:40:01 - Last edited on 30-Oct-2014 04:42:04 by Vardan

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