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Umbrardor

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I really want to bad mouth Saradomin, but as a Serenist, I'm fine with the fact that Saradominism inspires good morals and an aversion to evil within human society. Asgarnia, a Saradominist human kingdom, is filled with
peace
and
growth
. It's true that he's rash and impulsive, and it's true that he's committed terrible deeds in the past.

However, he was also once human. Being what he is, a human god, means that he will always know what it means to have been human. To be passionate, prideful, wrathful, and loving. Based on what the j-mods are saying, I know that he is trying his hardest to do what is right.

Though, if I had to just look at recent events and all the bad things he's committed, he's a big jerky smurf.

20-Feb-2014 01:24:11

Nelfarion44

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Umbrardor said :
I really want to bad mouth Saradomin, but as a Serenist, I'm fine with the fact that Saradominism inspires good morals and an aversion to evil within human society. Asgarnia, a Saradominist human kingdom, is filled with
peace
and
growth
. It's true that he's rash and impulsive, and it's true that he's committed terrible deeds in the past.

However, he was also once human. Being what he is, a human god, means that he will always know what it means to have been human. To be passionate, prideful, wrathful, and loving. Based on what the j-mods are saying, I know that he is trying his hardest to do what is right.

Though, if I had to just look at recent events and all the bad things he's committed, he's a big jerky smurf.

Serenist, I want you to read this quote from Mod Osborne:

"Seren is a pacifist because she believes that peace can only be achieved by segregating and living behind walls."

20-Feb-2014 01:44:18 - Last edited on 20-Feb-2014 01:44:47 by Nelfarion44

Umbrardor

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Is it a bad to live behind walls? A community, protected and left in peace will grow and prosper. The mingling of ideals and introduction of differences causes conflict. If you limit the idea of segregation to a separation of race and species, then you are limiting an important value held by Seren. During the God Wars, she nurtured and protected the elves in their forests while zealots and gods clashed.

Think about Saradomin's plan to get rid of rival gods. If he proves to be strong enough, he'll be the wall that prevents the mortals from suffering at the hands of violent gods.

"Saradomin fights to protect the world from outsiders. If the gods bring violence, then he will return it in kind." (Mod Stu)

Seren has yet to return, so it appears to me that Saradomin's intent to protect Gielinor is the most representative to peace and growth (through segregation and walls).


(ugh... that was poorly planned and written)

20-Feb-2014 03:30:28

Nelfarion44

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Umbrardor said :
Is it a bad to live behind walls? A community, protected and left in peace will grow and prosper. The mingling of ideals and introduction of differences causes conflict. If you limit the idea of segregation to a separation of race and species, then you are limiting an important value held by Seren. During the God Wars, she nurtured and protected the elves in their forests while zealots and gods clashed.

Think about Saradomin's plan to get rid of rival gods. If he proves to be strong enough, he'll be the wall that prevents the mortals from suffering at the hands of violent gods.

"Saradomin fights to protect the world from outsiders. If the gods bring violence, then he will return it in kind." (Mod Stu)

Seren has yet to return, so it appears to me that Saradomin's intent to protect Gielinor is the most representative to peace and growth (through segregation and walls).


(ugh... that was poorly planned and written)

Well then... If you have no interest in the intermingling of society and different ideas then.... Wow. Its actually when things intermingle, that things change. Growth.

20-Feb-2014 03:43:42

Cybernet377
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Umbrardor said :
(ugh... that was poorly planned and written)

I'll say.

You pretty much said that segregation is a positive thing, as long as people with undesirable tendancies or beliefs are ostracized along with unfavored races.

The you went on to imply that Saradomin's the personification of segragation, and that he'll protect mortals from outsiders.

Segregation, supression of ideals that disagree with the ruler's viewpoint, and keeping away "outsiders".

Quite the little dictatorship we have running.

20-Feb-2014 03:49:46 - Last edited on 20-Feb-2014 03:52:49 by Cybernet377

Umbrardor

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Nelfarion, growth is not simply change. Growth is a change, but change can come to mean a variety of things. Change is defined as, "The act or instance of becoming different". I know what you're referring to; a society cannot move forward without change. But look at the elves. In the second and third age, they lived without conflict in their forests thanks to their segregation, their seclusion (a synonym for segregation) from the war, they lived with contentment and without out change. Their lives continued in peace, and their families nurtured and grew. Growth did not cease. The change of progress may have been little, but the change of loss also remained minor.

20-Feb-2014 17:02:09

Umbrardor

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Cybernet377 said :
Umbrardor said :
(ugh... that was poorly planned and written)

I'll say.

You pretty much said that segregation is a positive thing, as long as people with undesirable tendancies or beliefs are ostracized along with unfavored races.

The you went on to imply that Saradomin's the personification of segragation, and that he'll protect mortals from outsiders.

Segregation, supression of ideals that disagree with the ruler's viewpoint, and keeping away "outsiders".

Quite the little dictatorship we have running.

Let me create a more thought out version of what's going on in my head.

Segregation, the action or state of setting someone or something apart from other people or things or being set apart, was what saved the elves from losing many lives in the God Wars. Seclusion and isolation are synonymous with segregation. The elves were secluded from the rest of the world.

"The mingling of ideals and introduction of differences causes conflict." This is a given. There will always be people in a society who accept different things. However, I was thinking about the religious conflicts that occur when two zealots argue about whose ideals are right. Also, I was thinking about how different gods with different values inspire people to fight against whoever denounces those values. Furthermore, it was never stated that Seren suppressed anyone's ideals. As far as we know, she tried to keep her elves in Tirannwn from losing their lives in the gods wars.

As for Saradomin, if Seren does not return, then it would be best for the world to remain under his protection if he proves himself to be strong and benevolent enough to protect the mortals. He may be stubborn and short tempered, but the guilt that remains from previous exploits should forever haunt him to be a better and more tolerant god.

If you're unsatisfied with this response, Cybernet, I'll get back to yo

20-Feb-2014 17:19:19 - Last edited on 20-Feb-2014 18:04:32 by Umbrardor

Nelfarion44

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Serenist, so you with to love in a world where change is very minor, and things stay the same to simply grow older?

As to your comment about intermingling, why are you so against conflict. Arguments are healthy, and conflict is the driving force towards progression.

You would have Seren "censor" the rest of the world to avoid conflict?

20-Feb-2014 20:38:39

Umbrardor

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Nelfarion44 said :
Serenist, so you with to love in a world where change is very minor, and things stay the same to simply grow older?

As to your comment about intermingling, why are you so against conflict. Arguments are healthy, and conflict is the driving force towards progression.

You would have Seren "censor" the rest of the world to avoid conflict?

I highly doubt Seren is the censoring dictator you're making her out to be. Since I have been basing most of my current arguments on what the mod said about segregation and walls, then let me bring the word of Endwyr.

Player: Why should I follow Seren?

Endwyr, Emissary of Seren: Seren is a goddess of peace and growth. She has always watched over the elves, and she can watch over you too. With Seren, we can build a sanctuary, away from the chaos wrought by the other gods.

Player: What does Seren want?

Endwyr, Emissary of Seren: Seren is happy to share the bounty of Gielinor, and does not want to be involved in another God War. We elves live apart from the rest of the world, and we have our own ways, without needing to force them on others. All Seren wants is to share the world without needless conflict, where people can live as they choose.

Seren wants to protect . She does not want to be have her followers involved in another war between gods. She is the goddess of growth and peace. Anything I say could taint what she truly stands for. If there is no way to avoid war between gods, then Seren will erect walls to seclude her people from the violence. Once the war is over, she is happy "to share the world without needless conflict, where people can live as they choose ."

20-Feb-2014 23:53:47

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