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Lord Drakan
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Cthris said :
Lord Drakan said :
*clears throat*
Nezikchened, a demon from the Grim Underworld seemingly intent on terrorising the Kharazi Jungle. And hitherto unexplained.
Yeah. I mentioned him in post 6 and 7. I suspect he's addicted to souls as he does shoot up during the events of the quest. If he was addicted to souls, perhaps he spent a lot of time down there. Did they change the censors or something, mine looks like a pile of stars.
Ah hm, that will explain why I had skimmed over him. And yes, it's supposed to be censored. Odd.

Another possibility is that the Karamjan gods have some connection to death. Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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24-Jul-2016 17:55:22

Summerleaf
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I'm bringing this thread back...

Also, my theory is that the a large portion of the Nechryael are still following orders to transport souls, unhindered and unknown to both Death and Iccy under the guise of, as you said, Amascut's devour beasts, although it is a good theory that she corrupted some, and that is where the beasts come from, like they have giant mouths on their chests, that's the perfect place to store/eat souls. However, I don't think that she was able to taint all of them, as I think Zaros would be upset if none of his followers were getting an afterlife.

Also, do we know if Freneskae ever had a Death? Because... If it did... Where are they now? Is it possible they took over Orcus' position as soul-carrier-leader-master-dude?

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Since the most recent rebellion on Infernus, the ruling Zamorakian Tsutsaroth have discovered that they can make use of human ghosts as manual labour. Over the millennia a lot of ghosts/souls have been shipped off to Infernus instead of their intended destination and have been toiling away in "hell" ever since. This retroactively explains why demons value souls and souls are said to be trapped in Infernus.


Is this on the Wiki? I want Infernus to be filled with Ghosts when we go to visit

22-Mar-2017 05:34:37 - Last edited on 22-Mar-2017 06:33:29 by Summerleaf

Cthris
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It's a quote from Mod Jack. If I remember correctly it's from my old thread #inb4demonstakeoverhell.

Also Freneskaes death could be quite the curious figure. I can't remember if this is cannon or not but wasn't it once said that death is the first person to die on each planet. If Freneskaes, which belonged to the universe before, death is still around then he/she could be from a previous cycle as well and could even be the oldest being in the universe.

Might even be a good candidate for xua tak :P

22-Mar-2017 05:47:22

Raleirosen

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Freneskae never had a Death, as Mahjarrat (and by extension all Mah children) do not have souls and thus no afterlife. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

22-Mar-2017 07:38:24 - Last edited on 22-Mar-2017 07:38:56 by Raleirosen

Cthris
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Raleirosen said :
Freneskae never had a Death, as Mahjarrat (and by extension all Mah children) do not have souls and thus no afterlife.
Yes, this is true. However, remember Freneskae is a planet from the previous universe. It's possible that some being who had a soul died on Freneskae in the previous cycle, thus becoming death and then moving into the present universe. This is why I said they could be the oldest being.

Though to be fair, it was never said that you need a soul to become death. We don't even know what the deaths are exactly.

22-Mar-2017 11:27:14 - Last edited on 22-Mar-2017 11:30:31 by Cthris

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Raleirosen said :
Freneskae never had a Death, as Mahjarrat (and by extension all Mah children) do not have souls and thus no afterlife.

As Cthris is keen to point out, Freneskae existed in the previous revision of the universe. As we know from the existence of the Dragonkin, mortal life did exist in the previous cycle, so it is entirely plausible that a sentient being with a soul did die on Freneskae and became its Death.

Acknowledging that, however, I remember it being stated that the perfect world of each cycle doesn't naturally give rise to sentient life. Given the lack of elder artifacts in the last cycle and, consequentially, gods however, it would be rather difficult for sentient life to have made it to Freneskae.

There are still a couple of ways for at least one sentient life form to have made it to Freneskae:

1. The Schism/Rift. This is an odd, unstable Spacial Rift of unknown origin that appears to connect all planes of our Revision. Assuming the origin of this Rift lies in the elder gods, it is entirely possible that such a Rift existed in the previous Revision. That being said, the fact that untold eons passed in our Revision with only one known case of somebody making it to Gielinor and the lack of evidence for such a Rift in the previous Revision casts notable doubt on this possibility.

2. While it is by no means confirmed in game yet, Zaros proposes that some Dragonkin survived the destruction of their plane by taking shelter in the Abyss. Being able to make it into the Abyss is a big step in inter-planar travel, and could mean that the Kin could have managed to spread out and colonize the other planes of their Revision. That being said, jumping into the Abyss is very low cost compared to jumping to a completely separate plane. If they made it, however, one of them dying on the plane would have been just about inevitable.

22-Mar-2017 12:12:11

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3. The presence of Dragon items on Freneskae indicates that, at one time or another, the Dragonkin spent some time on the plane, and one of them could have easily been killed during their time there. That being said, given the lack of any mention of their presence in either Zaros, Seren, or the Mahjarrat's memories, the Kin would have needed to have left Freneskae prior to their creation. This would have placed their time on Freneskae as being long before Guthix, the very first known false user/stone toucher, reached Gielinor. This makes it somewhat unlikely that the rage their curse causes would have been triggered yet, and the immortality they get from their curse makes it unlikely that anything else would have killed them at the time (unless, Mah finally waking up, emerging, and killing some of them is what prompted the kin to leave the plane).

22-Mar-2017 12:29:02

Cthris
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Hguoh said :


2. While it is by no means confirmed in game yet, Zaros proposes that some Dragonkin survived the destruction of their plane by taking shelter in the Abyss. Being able to make it into the Abyss is a big step in inter-planar travel, and could mean that the Kin could have managed to spread out and colonize the other planes of their Revision. That being said, jumping into the Abyss is very low cost compared to jumping to a completely separate plane. If they made it, however, one of them dying on the plane would have been just about inevitable.

This is from OOAK:

Submerged statue: It is the power of the Dragonkin to fly between the worlds. Beware the Dragonkin! Beware! The Stone of Jas calls them, and they can pass the planar barriers to seek each False User. No other mortal beings should have this power to fly between planes. And yet... there is one other creature with the power you describe. It flew high above me and then vanished through a hole in the sky.

It appears that Dragonkin can travel to different planes rather easily. Of course it's possible they got this power after being tied to the Stone of Jas. So who knows...

22-Mar-2017 12:32:15

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