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Dec

2023

Cthris

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Ancientm3ge said :
Let me explain what I meant when I said that. For me I have become frustrated lately with sayings such as "Sueros Christ" and threads like 'A scrutiny of the Zarosian Empire'.

The only guy saying Sueros Christ is Fal, and Neos thread was very accurate, even Mod Jack said so. Its point was to highlight some of the negatives which had happened in the empire that most people missed, because it was very well disguised. Things like not everyone getting an education, people getting eaten, used as puppets, the question on how vampyres feed. Its a very good thread and I am very glad that Neo has made it.

If you can't take a little justified slander on Zaros (Neo in no way posted false or outrages claims on the thread) then you really shouldn't be on the forums.

Also you are being rather predigest against Saradomins with this section "I said what I did because it is true that there exists a holier than thou attitude/persona among the Saradominist ranks, you view yourselves as having the moral high ground, you view yourselves as 'light, and good'. "

Just because they follow some lame god doesn't mean they all think the same way or view themselves as light and good. Also considering Leth calls himself the pope... "Don't worry about the speck in your brothers eye, when you have a plank in your own" Fix your faction first, then complain and whine about these particular players that you feel see themselves as being better then you.

01-May-2014 03:16:00

Leopold

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^ This commentary is about faction bashing.

Believe it or not, I'm not really interested in seeing threads about Saradomin and Zaros all the time - it's boring. I also don't know if you notice but the lore forums were cluttered with pro/anti Zaros threads when Fot* came out.
"Mary Sue" or Saradomin's a monster.

I think everyone has the right to scrutiny and independent thought - how its expressed may seem like subversive battles but its debate / condescension at times.
This is Runescape and the Internet. It happens.

Its just baffling though - Why not Armadyl over Saradomin?
He has less of a messy history and is lenient and willing to coexist.

01-May-2014 05:31:37

CD_Paladin_C

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Leopold said :

Its just baffling though - Why not Armadyl over Saradomin?
He has less of a messy history and is lenient and willing to coexist.

No ******* kidding. I've been saying this for months now.

With Armadyl you get everything saradomin has to offer but without the goofy ass wing ripping, city stomping, genocide, child killing, stone head drowning, and world guardian frying.

Saradomin brings absolutely nothing to the table that Armadyl doesn't already offer. "Your god's dead next time he's in a world event. "
-The Lore Community to our Saradominist Friends, Said During World Event 2, Proven During World Event 3.

#StopSaradomin

01-May-2014 05:56:05 - Last edited on 01-May-2014 05:58:38 by CD_Paladin_C

Adam Teal

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CD_Paladin_C said :
Leopold said :

Its just baffling though - Why not Armadyl over Saradomin?
He has less of a messy history and is lenient and willing to coexist.

No ******* kidding. I've been saying this for months now.

With Armadyl you get everything saradomin has to offer but without the goofy ass wing ripping, city stomping, genocide, child killing, stone head drowning, and world guardian frying.

Saradomin brings absolutely nothing to the table that Armadyl doesn't already offer.

Goofy ass > Offensive, and very childish.

Wing ripping > Maybe if you took the time to read the Garlandia section of this thread...

City stomping > Saradomin: The ruin I brought to the Naragi is my greatest shame. Civilisations have risen and fallen, and still the actions of my past haunt me.
And so they should, for regret begets wisdom, and I have much to regret. [...] I sought to make amends, when the beast and the hunter brought violence of their own.

Genocide > Saradomin destroyed Askroth (and regrets it), he didn't exterminate the Naragi. And he didn't force the centaurs into extinction by sending them to battle. Read up on the thread, please.

Child killing > Already explained it in the "city stomping" one. Saradomin regrets his actions.

Stone Head Drowning > Uhm, okay... For all we know, the Stone Head was annoying with all that "Beware! Beware!" stuff. And anyway, it's not like he hurt the stone head. I mean, come on... It's just a statue.

World Guardian Frying > Time was of the essence, and if the World Guardian refused to give it to him, he would need to take the wand by force in order to save Sir Owen.

Otherwise, Sir Owen would not be able to travel to the Centaur burial ground with Fern. Also, Sir Owen didn't want to die, and wanted to continue serving Saradomin. He died trying to take the wand for Saradomin so that the Centaurs might live again.

Addressed all of your accusations

01-May-2014 07:09:12

Dec

2023

Unicornz pwn

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LOL, "I'm sorry." is hardly going to cut it when your actions in the past (and present) were of such a high magnitude of evil and widespread violence.

Actions do tend to speak louder than words.

I suppose you could say "Apology not accepted."

"Ego Te Provoco."

The Hooded Zarosian

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01-May-2014 07:29:05

Adam Teal

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Unicornz pwn said :
LOL, "I'm sorry." is hardly going to cut it when your actions in the past (and present) were of such a high magnitude of evil and widespread violence.

Actions do tend to speak louder than words.

I suppose you could say "Apology not accepted."

He never said "I'm sorry". He said he regrets what he done, and not once did he claim that regretting what he done is "going to cut it" .

01-May-2014 07:57:11

Ancientm3ge

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*Gives Noct a banana* Have a seat good sir

'The only guy saying Sueros Christ is Fal, and Neos thread was very accurate, even Mod Jack said so. Its point was to highlight some of the negatives which had happened in the empire that most people missed, because it was very well disguised. Things like not everyone getting an education, people getting eaten, used as puppets, the question on how vampyres feed. Its a very good thread and I am very glad that Neo has made it. '

1} Fal may be the only one saying that at the moment, but there is an underlying misconception/general hate for Zaros emanating from this faction. Fal himself claims to be annoyed by faction bashing yet continues the cycle with negativity of his own. This general counter productive action has been observed by me several times, and not just with Fal.

2} Regarding Neo's thread, I'm glad he made a thread to analyze the Empire, I do not expect everyone to agree/like the Zarosian past, to accept the things that were without question, that would be silly. It is only natural that we agree and disagree and these forums were created to facilitate a healthy discourse regarding lore.

That isn't happening here however, instead of being a thread to analyze the memories and overall actions of the Zarosian Empire, its deity and its rulers we have a thread that was conceived to attack and slander, rife with sarcasm and malice.

' As per the release of Fate of the Gods, I will be adding a new section to underline how Zaros is still pretty much the same cunning control freak.'

It is also full of conjecture and biased speculation.

'The rest of the universe could be destroyed as long as Zaros could conquer Gielinor.

Lovely.'

You get the idea, my point is that why is it not possible to be against Zaros, against his ideals, but still respect the other members of the opposing faction? It is possible to have these discussions without viewing one another through the tinted lens of factions.

Enlightenment is coming

01-May-2014 09:11:47 - Last edited on 01-May-2014 09:57:33 by Ancientm3ge

Ancientm3ge

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Cthris said :
If you can't take a little justified slander on Zaros (Neo in no way posted false or outrages claims on the thread) then you really shouldn't be on the forums.

I expect disagreements and I welcome them, what I can not abide is pretentiousness, sarcasm, and hypocrisy. In this case of Saradomin and Zaros we have Neo posting a thread about the things wrong with the Zarosian past, Zaros himself, his empire and so forth. In all of his examples on his thread an equal action has been committed by his own deity, yet that is conveniently disregarded and forgotten. That is what is most annoying to me, it is known that all factions have flaws, it is asinine to take a stance of the 'higher ground' when your hands are dirty.

[ Cthris said :
Also you are being rather predigest against Saradomins with this section "I said what I did because it is true that there exists a holier than thou attitude/persona among the Saradominist ranks, you view yourselves as having the moral high ground, you view yourselves as 'light, and good'. "

Just because they follow some lame god doesn't mean they all think the same way or view themselves as light and good. Also considering Leth calls himself the pope... "Don't worry about the speck in your brothers eye, when you have a plank in your own" Fix your faction first, then complain and whine about these particular players that you feel see themselves as being better then you.

1} Well to be fair I said I shouldn't generalize, I was making a point however. Time and time again, even though they have problems of their own [which they don't seem to acknowledge] Saradominists appear and point their fingers upon the wrong doing of others. Of course we all think our choices are superior but this is encroaching upon downright ignorance and close mindedness.

2} I have already publicly 'denounced' the actions of some, I give respect and simply accept the same

Enlightenment is coming

01-May-2014 09:11:55 - Last edited on 01-May-2014 09:54:57 by Ancientm3ge

Balustan

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@Scorpius but you say that while at the same time expecting us to read the thread and be like "ok Saradomin isn't a bad guy cause he regrets the things he's done" Saradomin may not expect it to be enough but Saradominists on this forum certainly seem to.

Nothing she did would excuse the Wing Ripping. Nobody deserves it. It'd be like your arms being pulled off for not joining a war. Sure you can be punished for not joining a war when conscripted but ripping off limbs doesn't happen.

Doesn't matter how he feels about the city or the people who died because of it. It doesn't matter if the Naragi were hostile even. They stold no chance Saradomin could have simply retreated.

Genocide you seem to be forgetting the third age.

Yes annoyance is the reason to bury the only way beings such as Zamorak would have of finding out about the Dragonkin curse thus dooming the world eventually. Also it was clearly to ensure nobody else could find out about the artefact and get it before he did as he believes is his right.

I don't care if time was of the essence. The centaurs don't need resurrected neither did Owen. Their time had come they should have been allowed to rest. He doesn't need another army.

Additionally he says he regrets these things but the pattern remains the same.

He is denied something.
He angers and destroys something.
He regrets it.

The only consolation is his destructive tendencies have gotten less extreme over time from city destroying to hurting individuals.

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01-May-2014 09:48:57

Dec

2023

Cthris

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Fal may be the only one saying that at the moment, but there is an underlying misconception/general hate for Zaros emanating from this faction. Fal himself claims to be annoyed by faction bashing yet continues the cycle with negativity of his own. This general counter productive action has been observed by me several times, and not just with Fal.

There is a misconception/general hate for Saradomin emanating from your own faction. Fix your own faction, quit complaining about a few Saradominist, there is like 6 total anyways,

Also Fal is one person not a faction, simply put you just took the actions of one person calling Zaros a mary sue, and became predigested.

2} R egarding Neo's thread, I'm glad he made a thread to analyze the Empire, I do not expect everyone to agree/like the Zarosian past, to accept the things that were without question, that would be silly. It is only natural that we agree and disagree and these forums were created to facilitate a healthy discourse regarding lore.

That isn't happening here however, instead of being a thread to analyze the memories and overall actions of the Zarosian Empire, its deity and its rulers we have a thread that was conceived to attack and slander, rife with sarcasm and malice.

' As per the release of Fate of the Gods, I will be adding a new section to underline how Zaros is still pretty much the same cunning control freak.

It did both, if he feels the best way to deliver his theory is through sarcasm then fine. He made no lies, or false information, and backed all his theorys, just because its a little blunt, and a little mean towards Zaros doesn't make it a bad thread, in fact i would say it is one of the better threads on this forum. It shouldn't hurt you in any way, Zaros isn't a real person, and wont get his feelings hurt, if someone being mean to Zaros hurts your feelings, you might want to take a breather from the forums

01-May-2014 11:53:51

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