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Ambilarious

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Before I post: I would like to say I am biased. Not to any one god (I follow Seren but I foresee negative traits will appear), but against Saradomin.

Now that that's out of the way,

He mutilated someone who wouldn't die for him know order to save face. In order to keep his dignity, he left a peaceful follower for dead. Let's review that again... In order to look good he ripped the wings off of a follower. He tried to kill a follower because of a perceived insult.

There's no way to defend that. If he had been saving someone, using her power to harm someone else, or even if there had been a real insult, I might be inclined to just say he's a bit odd. But for vanity? That's certainly not anything to defend. That's insanity. Sorry to break the news to you. And don't get me started on the Nagari.

30-Apr-2014 18:58:08

Zulkir

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The only excuse they have for that is:

"Oooo She's Bias! She did something to deserve it!"

1. Yes she is Bias, she had her wings torn and left for dead. Isn't that a given?

2. What did she do? Inappropriately touch a child? Murder the elderly? Strangle a kitten? I'm running out of things here that could actually be used as an actual excuse, am I hitting the marker? No? ah well of course I'm not. She did nothing to warrant it.
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30-Apr-2014 19:02:26 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2014 19:03:50 by Zulkir

Neo Bestia

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Ambilarious said :
Before I post: I would like to say I am biased. Not to any one god (I follow Seren but I foresee negative traits will appear), but against Saradomin.

Now that that's out of the way,

He mutilated someone who wouldn't die for him know order to save face. In order to keep his dignity, he left a peaceful follower for dead. Let's review that again... In order to look good he ripped the wings off of a follower. He tried to kill a follower because of a perceived insult.

There's no way to defend that. If he had been saving someone, using her power to harm someone else, or even if there had been a real insult, I might be inclined to just say he's a bit odd. But for vanity? That's certainly not anything to defend. That's insanity. Sorry to break the news to you. And don't get me started on the Nagari.

This is probably where the bias is.

Apart from she making it rather obvious on her first sentences (I defied Saradomin to prove that gods are corruptible and flawed!).

And of course, she is godless.

But Nev details it quite accurately, as well as the Naragi issue and what not.

Evidently, she could have deserved it, yes. It's not a lenient punishment, but not all of them were on a Renaissance based society (as is Runescape).

Not even speaking about military punishments back then.

There are probably worse punishments surrounding Icyene, I could see the rebels potentially being made a brutal example, not necessarily by Saradomin.

I think this thread does a good job in most accounts.

30-Apr-2014 20:47:14 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2014 20:54:45 by Neo Bestia

Zulkir

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Point proven.

It was like this with the Naragi situation, "Saradomin was provoked! The Naragi did something to deserve it!"

Well they did something, they said that they didn't want to follow him, And what happened? The Infamous Naragun slaughter happened.

That shut them all up and shifted their argument to "Ooo he regretted it so it's okay!"

I eagerly await the confirmed reason being something along the lines of "She felt Saradomin wasn't the right god for her, and she sincerely expressed her opinions to other Icyene...and some agreed."

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30-Apr-2014 20:53:33 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2014 20:53:55 by Zulkir

Raxxess

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Neo Bestia said :
Ambilarious said :
Before I post: I would like to say I am biased. Not to any one god (I follow Seren but I foresee negative traits will appear), but against Saradomin.

Now that that's out of the way,

He mutilated someone who wouldn't die for him know order to save face. In order to keep his dignity, he left a peaceful follower for dead. Let's review that again... In order to look good he ripped the wings off of a follower. He tried to kill a follower because of a perceived insult.

There's no way to defend that. If he had been saving someone, using her power to harm someone else, or even if there had been a real insult, I might be inclined to just say he's a bit odd. But for vanity? That's certainly not anything to defend. That's insanity. Sorry to break the news to you. And don't get me started on the Nagari.

This is probably where the bias is.

Apart from she making it rather obvious on her first sentences.

And of course, she is godless.

But Nev details it quite accurately, as well as the Naragi issue and what not.

Plus there are some hidden clues in her dialogue

"I used to be a noble being, with wings that were the envy of everyone"

"At a banquet, he called across the room and asked whether i would be joining his infantry or his bombardiers"

A banquet with Saradomin this girl had money she was a nobleman's daughter. She claimed she was the envy of everyone. Its easy to say her mentality was probably "why I would go to war send the peasants or something" the experiences now must be much more humbling but you could easily say she thought she was superior because she had better wings and money and thought because of that she was above everyone else.

The saradomin faction has shown that being of noble birth doesn't mean much and treats his followers with equal status. Like how Owen does mission despite his noble roots.
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30-Apr-2014 20:54:26 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2014 20:59:12 by Raxxess

Neo Bestia

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Zulkir said :
Point proven.

It was like this with the Naragi situation, "Saradomin was provoked! The Naragi did something to deserve it!"

Well they did something, they said that they didn't want to follow him, And what happened? The Infamous Naragun slaughter happened.

That shut them all up and shifted their argument to "Ooo he regretted it so it's okay!"

I eagerly await the confirmed reason being something along the lines of "She felt Saradomin wasn't the right god for her, and she sincerely expressed her opinions to other Icyene...and some agreed."



Well, Mod Osborne said the Naragi could have been hostile, so those two points about the Naragi still stand (as well as Saradomin helping to protect them as a third one).

I don't think the Garlandia story will ever be responded in a satisfactory matter, but both parts will be explained.

30-Apr-2014 20:58:10 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2014 21:01:03 by Neo Bestia

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You appear, an alien, with more aliens of another kind in tow, with an invading army stomping into their city and demand that they bow down and worship you as their new god, as he saw the crown as affirmation of being 'The One true god of all!" And you don't expect hostility? O_o The purpose of adventure is to shine light into dark places,
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30-Apr-2014 21:02:46

Ancientm3ge

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Solan and Leth I fear you are wasting your time. Like their deity Neo and others only see the other factions in extremes, yet they allow themselves to exist in the grey thereby contradicting themselves. It is as Zaros said, so quick to point the finger at others they are blind to the monster that stares back at them upon the water.
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30-Apr-2014 21:09:03

Raxxess

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Ancientm3ge said :
Solan and Leth I fear you are wasting your time. Like their deity Neo and others only see the other factions in extremes, yet they allow themselves to exist in the grey thereby contradicting themselves. It is as Zaros said, so quick to point the finger at others they are blind to the monster that stares back at them upon the water.

Everything Zaros says about Saradomin actually contradicts Zaros himself. Because he tells the player that after Zamorak banished him he basically lost his mind and had to return to freneskae to absorb the muspah to restore his consciousness. This is the reason he gives as to why he was unable to contact his followers. Everything he uses as an example to explain saradomin was during this period that he lost his mind. So he either lied to his entire empire and all his followers and he was active in gielinor, or he lied to you about saradomin.

Which leaves the only time zaros would have any remote understanding of saradomin is when Zaros was expanding and invading saradominist territory.

So it basically leaves either Zaros lied in at least one occasion. Or he was under the influence of muspah juice and is crazy.
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30-Apr-2014 21:18:22 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2014 21:22:00 by Raxxess

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