RuneScape Forum Archive | Saradominists should be weary

Raleirosen

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Padomenes said :
I think you also need to be careful to look out for gender bias or prejudice when analyzing these characters like Saradomin. Its often considered less acceptable or pleasant if a male shows emotions rather than if the ones who does so is a female in which people would just say "Its because they are female" and shrug off all notions of individuality/free will. Saradomin is a character who mainly faces stigma because partly his a male who is emotional. Except Kara-Mier and Seren are both bashed in no uncertain terms for being overly emotional, and no one offers the fact that they're female (or characterized as female) as an excuse for their behavior.

As I was typing that I got a sense of deja vu; I'm pretty sure I wrote the exact same response to your exact same point in another thread at some point. If so, please stop repeating dumb shit. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

27-Feb-2017 06:25:14 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2017 06:30:45 by Raleirosen

Hguoh

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Padomenes said :
I think you also need to be careful to look out for gender bias or prejudice when analyzing these characters like Saradomin. Its often considered less acceptable or pleasant if a male shows emotions rather than if the ones who does so is a female in which people would just say "Its because they are female" and shrug off all notions of individuality/free will. Saradomin is a character who mainly faces stigma because partly his a male who is emotional.

Really? Everybody has an issue with Saradomin because they are sexist?

Let's just turn this argument back on you then just to show how it doesn't work.

When Zamorak was cornered at the end of the God Wars, he was faced with his own death. Emotions were high, mud was slung, and Zamorak ended up using an unstable SoJ to try and destroy the other gods and himself. The resulting blast destroyed Forinthry. Are you just as willing to give Zamorak a pass for this emotional act as you are for Saradomin's?

Alternatively, there's Bandos's banishment by Guthix without his soldiers on Gielinor, after which he drove all life on Yu'biusk extinct in his rage at Guthix's insolence. Does that get a pass as well?

And as Raleirosen rightly points out, neither Kara'meir nor Seren are given a pass when they are emotional so your entire premise is bollocks anyway.

27-Feb-2017 19:43:59 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2017 21:07:31 by Hguoh

Ancient Drew

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Actually Seren is given a pass, not because she's female but because she's got decent and peaceful intentions and is generally a highly caring being. Kara-Meir, on the other hand, is an embarrassment to the entire Godless faction. In fact, she's in the same league as Ellamaria, and she needs to die. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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27-Feb-2017 20:56:18

Hguoh

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Ancient Drew said :
Actually Seren is given a pass, not because she's female but because she's got decent and peaceful intentions and is generally a highly caring being. Kara-Meir, on the other hand, is an embarrassment to the entire Godless faction. In fact, she's in the same league as Ellamaria, and she needs to die.

I give Seren no such grace. I understand that she has peaceful/benevolent intentions, but I'll hold her to her mistakes regardless.

Just as the outcome does not completely override the intentions, so too do intentions not completely override the outcome.

27-Feb-2017 21:09:22 - Last edited on 28-Feb-2017 03:31:34 by Hguoh

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Padomenes, please stop embarrassing yourself.

I'll respond with a more sensible defense of Saradomin once this headache clears up.

I will protect Gielinor. Zaros has no love for its people.

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28-Feb-2017 02:25:56

Jakir

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I'm a long time anti-Saradominist on account of his head being completely up his ass and him not having a problem with throwing a temper tantrum and killing a planet because he claims he's "changed" all while doing the same shit over and over again. I despise him and his actions. Like ripping the wings off an Icyene because "he needed them to fight to survive" well he could just as easily have said if she didn't want to fight then she couldn't reap the rewards of the defense that the struggle brought and kicked her out of his group of followers. If she wanted to give the killer beasts a hug and be killed... now that sends a message. Instead he took justice into his own hands and maimed her. He rules through fear and force because in his mind he is always right and the ends always justify the means. He is a heaping pile of shit. But in that pile of shit there is a father that would give anything to protect his daughter no matter the cost. And that is the first and probably only thing about Saradomin I will ever like.

I will actually feel bad for the daughter when I execute her father for war crimes.

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Ancient Drew

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Hguoh said :
Ancient Drew said :
Actually Seren is given a pass, not because she's female but because she's got decent and peaceful intentions and is generally a highly caring being. Kara-Meir, on the other hand, is an embarrassment to the entire Godless faction. In fact, she's in the same league as Ellamaria, and she needs to die.

I give Seren no such grace. I understand that she has peaceful/benevolent intentions, but I'll hold her to her mistakes regardless.

Just as the outcome does not completely override the intentions, so too do intentions not completely override the outcome. Even so, I would rather have someone who committed a catastrophe unwillingly or out of a misguided sense of good (they can be educated and corrected, and most of them will listen to reason and even persuaded on the right path if you tick their boxes enough), than a certain dickhead who is currently inside our heads, and was deliberately causing universe-wide catastrophe for a laugh. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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28-Feb-2017 17:22:17

Hguoh

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Ancient Drew said :
Even so, I would rather have someone who committed a catastrophe unwillingly or out of a misguided sense of good (they can be educated and corrected, and most of them will listen to reason and even persuaded on the right path if you tick their boxes enough), than a certain dickhead who is currently inside our heads, and was deliberately causing universe-wide catastrophe for a laugh.

Fair point.

But then you run into the issue of dealing with somebody who clearly does not have very good intentions but who causes good outcomes (ex: Zaros in CoM).

28-Feb-2017 17:53:08

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