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Deltaslug

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Chaos Lupus said :
Zemouregal is not an imposter, he was named after his father. It was explained in the gravestone memory.


Zemo's. Like Father, Like Son.


There is no shortage of things Zaros could ask for
- whatever Zamorak wins (Staff, Stone), Zaros could command Zam to hand it over

- he could command Zam to kill off one of the competitors.
depending on how literal Sliske is to the scoreboard (hahahahahaha), Zaros could ask Zam to knock off say Armadyl. The biggest joke: Zaros would get a win since Zam was acting on Zaros' order. zam get a +3, Zaros gets a +1.
It wouldn't take much prodding to get Zam to try to kill Sliske himself.

- Zaros could even be the ultimate jerk: command Zamorak to let Zaros kill him.
The contract, unless there is a loophole, means Zamorak would either have to let Zaros kill him OR the effect of the contract would kill him anyways.

- Mercy or Self Preservation.
If Zaros was in a bind and Zamorak was about to land another killing blow, Zaros could make the request for Zam to not do it ... even Zam to never order anyone to do such a thing (avoid loophole abuse). Even to eternally order Zam to never harm Zaros. Unlikely ofc, but having a potential way out is never a bad thing.

- NOT to use something.
The Stone is in play. Who knows what else.
If Zam wins, Zaros may show how important it is for Zamorak not to do something by having to invoke the contract. While a waste, it would show how serious Zaros considered it.

- Fight off the Dragonkin
The Stone and Staff are going to be at the party. The Dragonkin might opt to crash the party and take things back (and maybe kill a false user or 2).
Zaros might take the oppurtinity to have Zam take the lead in the fight again the Dragonkin.
Hardly a losing situation:
- Zaros buys time for whatever he needs to do
- If Zam wins, some Dragonkin are killed
- If the Dragonkin win, Zam is killed.

21-Nov-2016 17:17:13

Deltaslug

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- If there's a vote for who gets the Stone, Zaros now has 2 votes.
While Sliske has fun, and we know how Jmods like using tropes and scenes from popular shows, you could imaging that Sliske might let all of those gather vote to who gets the Stone (much like for the Pirate King in Pirates of the Carribean: at world's end.
Most of the characters would likely vote for themselves, just like the Pirate lords did.
But Zaros could use the contract to force Zam to vote for a certain candidate.
Imagine Zaros voting for the Stone to go to Seren, and getting Zam to vote as well.
3 votes for Seren against all the others. Not the only way it would go. but would be the example of a twist.

21-Nov-2016 17:22:28

Solmestix
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Are we forgetting what the character said about mah's core, Icy, as if an ICY SPIKE HAD DRIVEN INTO IT. Now, what Elder Gods is aligned with ICE?

WEN.

Which elder god' memories are in two places? (white mountain and ice mountain)

WEN.

Wen tried to kill Mah and let her fractured half which incarnated as ice mountain, develop!

21-Nov-2016 17:47:55

Deltaslug

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It's possible it was a side effect of:
1) Seren's rituals over the ages actually corrupting Mah without her knowing
2) The lack of rituals caused a problem

Seren postulated that the creation of the Mahjerrat, Mahserrat, and others was a plan by Mah.

But it was Seren it had the plan for thee rituals to give energy back to Mah to calm her down, and take it back to procreate, using her little brothers and sisters as little more than fodder to keep mommy satiated.
Perhaps Seren was wrong?
Thousands of years of rituals had a negative effect on an already stunted elder god.

Eventually, someone comes to Freneskae, takes away the other children of Mah. There's no one to perform the rituals to keep her down.
Her core goes through horrible withdrawal symptoms.

irl, how does the human body react to having drugs, alcohol, sugar/caffine, etc added in? consumed for a long period of time? then suddenly removed?

either because of the rituals, or without the rituals, or both, she became undone.


Another possibility is the fact that Seren was near her for so long.
Without Zaros acting as Seren's counter, whatever aura Seren radiated, had a long time to bleed into Mah.
We already know the effect Seren has on the Elves. She couldn't just leave them without killing them.
Zaros had a similar effect for loyalty in others.
Who's to say that Seren's presence for all that time bled into Mah, then when Seren left, she started a process much like she feared would happen to her Elves?
But while an elf would die quickly, Mah would take thousands of years.
By the time Seren returned to Mah, there was little else that could be done. The process could not be undone.

True, Zaros was hovering near Mah for some time. But by then, the decay/dmg was too catastrophic to be fixed by a few years or centuries of Zaros being nearby.
Or could have worked at all as her system had adapted without Zaros being nearby.
(I wish I could point to human biology on this example)

21-Nov-2016 21:43:26

Deux Faces

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That was my initial thought as well, that the crystalline corruption in Mah's core was due to Seren. It hadn't occurred to me to be Wen, and I'm not entirely sure how that would fit into the story as is.

I wonder if it was Wen, would it be because Wen had the least patience for Mah's "interest" in life in previous revisions so she did something to Mah's egg just at the end of the last revision while they were on Freneskae?

If it was because of Seren, is there a chance, like with Mahjarrat, that Seren's true curse is to care deeply about people and things but only to see them be destroyed as a result?

21-Nov-2016 22:03:36

Azzandria
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Most interested about the absence of Sliske, even if he doesn't need the ritual due to the stone he still almost always gets involved. My theory is he didn't really degrade though, he's above the other Mahjarrat in power st this point

And we know he was watching, he updated his scoreboard for Seren and Zaros.

Zaros also openly discussed his plan with Zamorak and Sliskes game with tons of bystanders, pretty sure Sliske will know what's up.

21-Nov-2016 22:39:52 - Last edited on 21-Nov-2016 22:41:00 by Azzandria

Lego Miester
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Deux Faces said :

Also, dialogue with one of the Zamorakian Mahjarrat (I think it was Bilrach, but can't remember) suggested that Azzanadra was someone to watch out for... that he was wielding the "power of madness" or something similar.

Just went to check, and there is unfortunately no post-quest dialogue with Azzanadra.


Yeah, that worries me.

Overall though I liked all the characters. Even the characters I hated I liked. Just talking with all the mahjarrat that have tried to kill me like old friends at the end. That was great.

Once the transcripts are up I intend to comb the living hell out of the story, but overall it seems like we've got a lot of new dialogue on Zamorak and Zaros in particular that sheds a lot of light on both characters. Mainly some really scary Zaros moments.

I'm particularly wanting to theorycraft on one Zaros line in particular: "What? No!" right when Zamorak intervenes. Oh Zaros, what were you planning that he just ruined?
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22-Nov-2016 07:03:39 - Last edited on 22-Nov-2016 07:09:02 by Lego Miester

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Lucien--and arguably Zamorak--made it clear that having the stone doesn't keep you safe from rituals. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

22-Nov-2016 07:59:04

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