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2023

Cthris

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Eren Lapucet said :
The second is somewhat looked down upon, and may take inspiration from Zamorakianism. It is more powerful than the first method, but its critics would say it's wrong and deranges the mind (Sin the Seer would be an example, and possibly the Oracle as an added headcanon).

This is where the nihilist macho-sadist edgelord seers can fit in

22-Mar-2017 04:19:46

Eren Lapucet

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Cthris said :
Eren Lapucet said :
The second is somewhat looked down upon, and may take inspiration from Zamorakianism. It is more powerful than the first method, but its critics would say it's wrong and deranges the mind (Sin the Seer would be an example, and possibly the Oracle as an added headcanon).

This is where the nihilist macho-sadist edgelord seers can fit in

One track mind, huh ;-;. The problem with your idea is that most seers cant' be that way. But a select few "crazies", why not? I'm too Unaligned to have a forum signature.

22-Mar-2017 04:37:56 - Last edited on 22-Mar-2017 04:38:55 by Eren Lapucet

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2012

Summerleaf

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Eren Lapucet said :

@Elf: Do we have a good idea when Seers Village started out? I would have to modify my headcanon if it started much earlier.

Ummm... *cries* I don't think that there is a set date that it was built, but Vitruvius' workshop was built early on in the 5th age, and with the Fremmenik breaking everything magick-ish, I feel like his workshop would have had to have been destroyed before the Fremmy went south, so I feel like the village had to have been around since at least early-mid 4th age. Early 4th age is about when elves were ruling Kandarin, and they didn't leave until about year 1930, with the entirety of the age being 2000 years (I think). So, idk how that would go, really. Does crystal have any precognition effects? I guess they could have assisted the Elves in their fights with the Ogres and such...

Maybe... If they are a young group, then maybe late 4th age post-elf, but I feel like they've been around much longer. They could have been mediators between the elves and fremmy post-godwars, which would explain why their building architecture seems to be more modernized than Rellekka. While during the godwars, Solanum's thing about being a defense colony from Saradomin could still hold.

22-Mar-2017 04:43:16 - Last edited on 22-Mar-2017 05:43:43 by Summerleaf

Mod Kelpie

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Thanks everyone for the information and speculation so far.

To add my thoughts and to try to actually set some lore in place,
(I am by no means a lore expert, so go easy on me when correcting my errors

)

* I feel like the Seers should be Fremmenik in origin.

* Possible reasons they moved to the area was out of fear that their 'magic' would be punished after the discovery of rune essence and the resulting tensions. Or maybe they just saw the future and knew they should go settle there?

* With their focus on the future they lost their Fremmenik traditions over time.

* Whilst the Seers may be Guthixian, they perhaps allowed the building of the church and allowed other cultures into the village because they again saw a future where cultures had to coexist.

* The Seers could have potentially told the Sinclair family to build the castle as they foresaw the arrival of King Arthur and told them that in return they would house a powerful ally who would protect their lands from all threats.

* In terms of the look of the village, we are going with it being slightly run down. As the council are constantly looking into the future, they aren't thinking about the problems in the present and therefore don't upkeep their buildings too well until they are really needed.

Thoughts?

22-Mar-2017 09:59:22

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2023

Cthris

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Mod Kelpie said :

* The Seers could have potentially told the Sinclair family to build the castle as they foresaw the arrival of King Arthur and told them that in return they would house a powerful ally who would protect their lands from all threats.

It all sounds good but this. Last I heard Mod Stu? was working/thinking on or of doing a bit of a retconning in regards to King Arthur. It might be worth trying to implement some of his ideas now before he has to go and change a bunch of stuff later.

Also needs a cult of edgelord seers

22-Mar-2017 12:08:37

ironpariah

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What Aquamancer said ^^

The Seers were a group of Guthixian Druids who foresaw the attacks by trolls on Taverly, so they decided to move west and establish a village of seers.
They also foresaw someone giving it the very boring name "Seer's Village", so they just went with it.

The Seer's Council isn't completely composed of seers. There are a few 'mundanes' or laymen on it to watch over the more day to day operations:
- building and infrastructure repairs
- tourism
- banking
Areas where common sense trumps trying to see the future.

22-Mar-2017 12:37:32 - Last edited on 22-Mar-2017 12:38:00 by ironpariah

AttilaSquare

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I'll give this another go.

It will require a little more background lore to give the seers some more texture.

Extensive background lore: Elsewhere , I have proposed a periodization of magics among the humans of Gielinor. In the 1st and start of the 2nd ages, humans practiced sorcery. This made some use of runestones but was more oriented toward discerning the invisible spirits at work in nature. After the arrival of the gods, Gielinor's humans practiced mysticism - like sorcery, but with more theory and study of magical practices from other worlds; it also developed an ancient sort of divination by which the mystics forsaw coming threats from the other worlds and the gods. After the return of Guthix, there was a renaissance of sorcery, associated with the druids, since Gielinorians no longer had to watch for extraplanar threats; but the remnants of mysticism persisted too.

22-Mar-2017 15:15:04 - Last edited on 22-Mar-2017 15:16:52 by AttilaSquare

AttilaSquare

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The mystics divided themselves into schools : there was a Saradominist school, a Zamorakian school, and a Fremennik school - from which we inherit the three sets of mystic robes (so we can have some lore for those too). I've also proposed the existence of an Armadylean school, a Menaphite school, and a school near Ice Mountain which the modern mystics of Stealing Creation claim as their forebears (*hint hint* - here's an opportunity for three more sets of mystic robes). This last school was destroyed long ago by the dragon Garak. The Menaphite school endures in Menaphos to this day (might be a cool reference for the upcoming release of Menaphos). The Armadylean school collapsed with the fall of Armadyl's empire, and its remnants were absorbed by the Saradominist school. The Zamorakian school, last headquartered in Morytania's slayer tower, collapsed during the backlash against Zamorakians following the burning of the Wizards' Tower - it has been succeeded by the ZMI. The Saradominist school, having absorbed the Armadylean school centuries ago, which itself had absorbed the magical institution founded by Jack in the 1st age, has become the Mage Guild of Yanille that we know today.

22-Mar-2017 15:15:28

AttilaSquare

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The seers, I propose, are the remnant of the Fremennik school of mysticism. This school alone had preserved the ancient art of runecrafting through all the ages, but because they had access only to the small essence rock of Lunar Isle, they did not develop runic magic beyond what it had been since ancient days. When the main rune essence mine was discovered and modern runic magic was developed by the rest of Gielinor's humans, and in response Gunnar the Hieronoclast began to muster his armies, the last high mystic of the Fremennik school (Obviously his name was Attila - you know, the famous planar theorist who rebelled against the modern trend of thinking of planes like cheese and life like oil.

) decided to move the remnant of his school south and to forbid the use of runic magics, ancient or modern, for the foreseeable future.

22-Mar-2017 15:15:49 - Last edited on 22-Mar-2017 16:27:01 by AttilaSquare

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This is where the earlier stuff can fit (@Aquamancer, I surrender the "-by" but am otherwise ok with my headcannon as it is): In the early years of the 5th age, around the same time the Carnilleans rose up against Hazeel in the region of modern-day Ardougne, three other families rose to power in northeastern Kandarin. The Cathers ruled over the region that has become the town of Catherby. The Sinclairs ruled over their modern day holdings, as well as the castle now called Camelot. And the Sothers ruled over the region of what what has become the Seers Village and the sorcerer's tower.

The Fremennik mystics, fleeing their former headquarters in the mountains east of Rellekka, were welcomed by the local druids, and together they formed the seers council. At first, they allied themselves with the powerful Sother family to the south (under whose patronage the metallurgy of Vitruvius especially flourished), and then they procured greater autonomy under King Ulthas within the kingdom of Kandarin. When King Ulthas gave Camelot to Arthur and his knights, he also divided the land of the Sothers - handing over the village of Sotherby to be ruled by the seers council and renaming it Seers Village. The sorcerer's tower today remains in the hands of William Thormac Sother, IV.

Thus the seers averted destruction at the hands of Gunnar and established a new life in Kandarin. Since the end of the crusades, the prohibition against runic magics has hardly been enforced - so that the region exhibits a blend of Fremennik mysticism, druidic sorcery, and modern runic magic. Today the village is peaceful, safe within the borders of Kandarin, but the events of the 6th age have the seers worried again, and ceaselessly straining to peer into the obscurity of the future. Some would like to see the tradition of rigorous mystical studies restored, as in the time of the godwars, but whether the last seers have the will to do this remains to be seen.

22-Mar-2017 15:16:06 - Last edited on 22-Mar-2017 15:59:06 by AttilaSquare

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