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Hguoh

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Raxxess said :
I think the problem with Saradomin is people don't realize how to put themselves in a situation.

Saradomin was truthfully in the right. First off Zamorak wasn't negotiating he had the stone and only wanted the world to live chaos, there was no give on his side he wanted the world to live in Chaos and was ready to use the stone to accomplish this.

We also know that Saradomin was on Gielinor before the other gods so he knows the Zamorak betrayed Zaros, he also knows that as soon as this happened Zamorak ordered the invasion of Saradominist lands. Wouldn't you be kind of ticked off if the guy who at every turn attacked you is trying to negotiate now that he finally bit off more than he can chew.

I don't think Zammy had really fully thought out his philosophy on chaos at the time of Forinthry's destruction (considering he doesn't bother correcting the conflicting views of his followers, I still think he hasn't).

And no, Zamorak did not immediately invade Saradomin's lands. First he was taken to Infernus for a couple of years. Then he returned and the two of them allied together to crush the rest of Zaros's empire. It was after the Zarosian extermination that Zamorak somehow found out about Saradomin having the stone and demanded it back. Obviously Sara said no, and Zamorak resorted to more violent means.

24-Feb-2015 16:10:32 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2015 16:12:19 by Hguoh

Hguoh

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Raxxess said :
Lord Bilrach said :
Raxxess said :
Lord Bilrach said :
Raxxess said :
The Mather1 said :
He's in a war with everyone because Saradomin and Armadyl decided to try to get rid of him and Bandos decided Zamorak was still probably stronger.

The war was started when Zamorak returned from Banished to take the Stone from Saradomin.

Really? From this cutscene it looks like the war started when Saradomin stabbed Zamorak in the back.

This is a memory from the past, the memory we have is when the godwars ended. The war way before this. Zamorak took the stone from Saradomin, then gave Drakan gave orders to invade Hallowvale. The memory we have is after his armies lost, because there was an an armistice between the four gods to re-imprison Nex something that Zamorak agreed to, and when they finished Nex the three went back to fighting Zamorak.

You are so confused with your dates...

Also, pretty sure he's referring to the removal of the Zarosian Empire, not Nex, which Armadyl and Bandos were a part of.

Armadyl didn't come till the 3rd age. Zamorak betraying Zaros happened in the second age. The third age is basically the god wars. I mean I don't how else to explain it the god wars ended after Fort was blown up because that is when guthix awoke and that was the memory we were seeing Zamorak even says "If I'm going I'm taking you with me"

The siphon was already referred to as the staff of Armadyl in the second age, which seems to indicate that Armadyl was present in the second age.

24-Feb-2015 16:14:17

Raxxess

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Hguoh said :
Raxxess said :
I think the problem with Saradomin is people don't realize how to put themselves in a situation.

Saradomin was truthfully in the right. First off Zamorak wasn't negotiating he had the stone and only wanted the world to live chaos, there was no give on his side he wanted the world to live in Chaos and was ready to use the stone to accomplish this.

We also know that Saradomin was on Gielinor before the other gods so he knows the Zamorak betrayed Zaros, he also knows that as soon as this happened Zamorak ordered the invasion of Saradominist lands. Wouldn't you be kind of ticked off if the guy who at every turn attacked you is trying to negotiate now that he finally bit off more than he can chew.

I don't think Zammy had really fully thought out his philosophy on chaos at the time of Forinthry's destruction (considering he doesn't bother correcting the conflicting views of his followers, I still think he hasn't).

And no, Zamorak did not immediately invade Saradomin's lands. First he was taken to Infernus for a couple centuries. Then he returned and the two of them allied together to crush the rest of Zaros's empire. It was after the Zarosian extermination that Zamorak somehow found out about Saradomin having the stone and demanded it back. Obviously Sara said no, and Zamorak resorted to more violent means.

I think you are getting a little mixed up here.

First off lets just remember some things. Zamorak betrayed Zaros in the second age. He gave orders to drakan to invade Hallowvale once Zaros fell. I mean it wasn't just a spur of the movement thing this was an organized coup. Zamorak didn't need to be on Gielinor to start attacking. Hallowvale was invaded before Zamorak got back.

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24-Feb-2015 16:15:24

Raxxess

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Hguoh said :

Armadyl didn't come till the 3rd age. Zamorak betraying Zaros happened in the second age. The third age is basically the god wars. I mean I don't how else to explain it the god wars ended after Fort was blown up because that is when guthix awoke and that was the memory we were seeing Zamorak even says "If I'm going I'm taking you with me"

The siphon was already referred to as the staff of Armadyl in the second age, which seems to indicate that Armadyl was present in the second age.[/quote]

That may be. But he wasn't allied with Saradomin till the third age. I mean bringing up Armadyl is impossible because we really don't know much about him at that time. If he was part of the god wars before then we would have probably have known.

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24-Feb-2015 16:18:37

Hguoh

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Raxxess said :
Hguoh said :
don't think Zammy had really fully thought out his philosophy on chaos at the time of Forinthry's destruction (considering he doesn't bother correcting the conflicting views of his followers, I still think he hasn't).

And no, Zamorak did not immediately invade Saradomin's lands. First he was taken to Infernus for a couple centuries. Then he returned and the two of them allied together to crush the rest of Zaros's empire. It was after the Zarosian extermination that Zamorak somehow found out about Saradomin having the stone and demanded it back. Obviously Sara said no, and Zamorak resorted to more violent means.

I think you are getting a little mixed up here.

First off lets just remember some things. Zamorak betrayed Zaros in the second age. He gave orders to drakan to invade Hallowvale once Zaros fell. I mean it wasn't just a spur of the movement thing this was an organized coup. Zamorak didn't need to be on Gielinor to start attacking. Hallowvale was invaded before Zamorak got back.

That doesn't make much sense. All things considered, the Zarosian Empire stretched all the way from Ghorrock to south of Senntisten. We know Saradomin first set foot on Gielinor on Entrana. So unless he somehow managed to maintain an empire that was literally bisected by the Zarosian Empire and the territory of the desert pantheon (next to impossible), I don't think Hallowvale became Saradomin's until after the fall of Zaros.

24-Feb-2015 16:23:06

Hguoh

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Raxxess said :
Hguoh said :
The siphon was already referred to as the staff of Armadyl in the second age, which seems to indicate that Armadyl was present in the second age.

That may be. But he wasn't allied with Saradomin till the third age. I mean bringing up Armadyl is impossible because we really don't know much about him at that time. If he was part of the god wars before then we would have probably have known.

Well we know that he and Saradomin were on somewhat reasonable terms since they were both able to go to the Zarosian capital and each leave with an artifact (Armadyl with his staff, and Sara with the stone).

24-Feb-2015 16:24:35 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2015 16:25:20 by Hguoh

Lord Bilrach

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@Hguoh

Problem with what your saying is that Zemourgal and co. saw Saradomin take the stone the moment Zamorak left. Zamorak would have known about Saradomin having the stone immediately.

Raxxess said :
Armadyl didn't come till the 3rd age.

It occurs to me that you said you haven't played in awhile...suffice it to say you have a lot of catching up to do in lore.

24-Feb-2015 16:27:31

Raxxess

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Hguoh said :
Raxxess said :
Hguoh said :
don't think Zammy had really fully thought out his philosophy on chaos at the time of Forinthry's destruction (considering he doesn't bother correcting the conflicting views of his followers, I still think he hasn't).

And no, Zamorak did not immediately invade Saradomin's lands. First he was taken to Infernus for a couple centuries. Then he returned and the two of them allied together to crush the rest of Zaros's empire. It was after the Zarosian extermination that Zamorak somehow found out about Saradomin having the stone and demanded it back. Obviously Sara said no, and Zamorak resorted to more violent means.

I think you are getting a little mixed up here.

First off lets just remember some things. Zamorak betrayed Zaros in the second age. He gave orders to drakan to invade Hallowvale once Zaros fell. I mean it wasn't just a spur of the movement thing this was an organized coup. Zamorak didn't need to be on Gielinor to start attacking. Hallowvale was invaded before Zamorak got back.

That doesn't make much sense. All things considered, the Zarosian Empire stretched all the way from Ghorrock to south of Senntisten. We know Saradomin first set foot on Gielinor on Entrana. So unless he somehow managed to maintain an empire that was literally bisected by the Zarosian Empire and the territory of the desert pantheon (next to impossible), I don't think Hallowvale became Saradomin's until after the fall of Zaros.

Lol I don't know how else to say it.

Hallowvale is early second age, and it was the Icyene colony on Gielinor.

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24-Feb-2015 16:28:31

Raxxess

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Lord Bilrach said :
@Hguoh

Problem with what your saying is that Zemourgal and co. saw Saradomin take the stone the moment Zamorak left. Zamorak would have known about Saradomin having the stone immediately.

Raxxess said :
Armadyl didn't come till the 3rd age.

It occurs to me that you said you haven't played in awhile...suffice it to say you have a lot of catching up to do in lore.

That might have been a mistake on my part but I don't see what has to do with the argument you are a trying to pull. Unless you are A. Inferring that invading Hallowvale had nothing to do with the godwars which is does I mean that's just lore.

Or B. you are going with Hguoh and that hallowvale didn't actually exist when the lore on hallowvale explains it was and that was actually built in the early third age like right before Drakan invaded it.

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24-Feb-2015 16:32:47

Raleirosen

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Raxxess said :
Saradomin was truthfully in the right. First off Zamorak wasn't negotiating he had the stone and only wanted the world to live chaos, there was no give on his side he wanted the world to live in Chaos and was ready to use the stone to accomplish this.

We also know that Saradomin was on Gielinor before the other gods so he knows the Zamorak betrayed Zaros, he also knows that as soon as this happened Zamorak ordered the invasion of Saradominist lands. Wouldn't you be kind of ticked off if the guy who at every turn attacked you is trying to negotiate now that he finally bit off more than he can chew.
Was he trying to negotiate or not? Make up your mind.

To answer my own question, it wasn't a negotiation; Zimmityzammity was simply pleading with the other gods (not necessarily in a pathetic way; he still had the Stone to draw upon) to see things from his point of view. Saradomin is obviously incapable of such open-mindedness, Bandos didn't give a damn either way, and Armadyl saw *imzimmityzimzimmityzimzi***roo's vision as ultimately being too destructive and contradictory to his own beliefs. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

24-Feb-2015 16:34:02 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2015 16:35:54 by Raleirosen

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