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Raxxess

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Half Centaur said :
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Wasn't there a whole discussion a long while back how that relates more to an Armies of Gielinor reference that wasn't seen as entirely cannon?

No. Especially seeing as an unbiased SoJ memory backs it up now.

But wouldn't the memory be referring to their betrayal of Zamorak after they all allied to defeat Nex, because that is exactly when Zamorak lost the stone of Jas. Not something that happened an age before that? And that's assuming that it is actually cannon then.
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24-Feb-2015 03:19:49 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2015 03:23:12 by Raxxess

Neo Bestia

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I don't even see that as an alliance with Zamorak but more so as one against the Zarosian remnant.

If so, I don't know how Zamorak thought it was meant to be a long term alliance. Maybe Saradomin seemed predisposed and then rapidly turned against Zamorak seizing the most valuable assets.

Even so, I only see that cutscene making zamorak look rather pitiful.

I can't begin to comprehend why people are giving this gigantic attention to what Saradomin said, but I don't put it past people to soon see him named the culprit of Forinthry destruction.

24-Feb-2015 03:28:13 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2015 03:31:50 by Neo Bestia

Raxxess

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Neo Bestia said :
I don't even see that as an alliance with Zamorak but more so as one against the Zarosian remnant.

If so, I don't know how Zamorak thought it was meant to be a long term alliance. Maybe Saradomin seemed predisposed and then rapidly turned against Zamorak seizing the most valuable assets.

Even so, I only see that cutscene making zamorak look rather pitiful.

I can't begin to comprehend why people are giving this gigantic attention to what Saradomin said, but I don't put it past people to soon see him named the culprit of Forinthry destruction.

I think its kind of just a change in how people perceive actions. Its more looking to put all blame on someone that by opinion could be to blame then the person who actually did the action.

Its like the argument we are seeing is somehow Saradomin is at fault when Zamorak clearly instead of other speculations blew up fort knowingly so he could take down everyone with him.
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24-Feb-2015 03:34:57

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Neo Bestia said :

I can't begin to comprehend why people are giving this gigantic attention to what Saradomin said
AKA. "Saradomin will only ever be right, no matter what he does, by virtue of being Saradomin."

It doesn't make Zamorak any less wrong, but you have to be a special kind of stupid to push the guy with a nuke into a corner and refuse to listen to what he has to say.
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24-Feb-2015 03:35:27

Neo Bestia

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The Mather1 said :
Neo Bestia said :

I can't begin to comprehend why people are giving this gigantic attention to what Saradomin said
AKA. "Saradomin will only ever be right, no matter what he does, by virtue of being Saradomin."

It doesn't make Zamorak any less wrong, but you have to be a special kind of stupid to push the guy with a nuke into a corner and refuse to listen to what he has to say.

Fancy strawman.

I don't see any god refusing to listen to Zamorak.

They just didn't want to listen to him anymore.

Also there's a special irony that even the God of War agreed things with Zamorak had gone too far.

24-Feb-2015 03:40:13 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2015 03:42:06 by Neo Bestia

Raxxess

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The Mather1 said :
Neo Bestia said :

I can't begin to comprehend why people are giving this gigantic attention to what Saradomin said
AKA. "Saradomin will only ever be right, no matter what he does, by virtue of being Saradomin."

It doesn't make Zamorak any less wrong, but you have to be a special kind of stupid to push the guy with a nuke into a corner and refuse to listen to what he has to say.

I think reasoning breaks down as seen as you need a nuke to talk to people lol. I think when someone like Bandos thinks it goes too far. Might be going to far.
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24-Feb-2015 03:42:35

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Neo Bestia said :
I can't begin to comprehend why people are giving this gigantic attention to what Saradomin said, but I don't put it past people to soon see him named the culprit of Forinthry destruction.

The essence of what Saradomin said amounted to: kill Zamorak; he's evil; he can't be reasoned with; kill him; and the stone will be mine. I can completely sympathize with Zammy wanting to take out Saradomin once and for all.

That doesn't mean that I don't hold him at fault for being willing to sacrifice every living thing in Forinthry in order to do so.

I think the reason that this is getting so much attention is due to Mr. Order and Wisdom devolving effectively into one of the girls who accused women of witchcraft in Salem, Massachusetts.

24-Feb-2015 03:46:34

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Neo Bestia said :
Even so, I only see that cutscene making zamorak look rather pitiful.

...Because he actually tried diplomacy, actually tried being reasonable? He was backed-in to a corner by his enemies, and despite having the object of untold power at his disposal he actually DIDN'T opt to be too quick to use it.

Despite multiple attempts at such reasoning, everyone still jumped aboard the "you have to die and your ideaology has to die with you" train, with the added bonus of Saradomin screaming "MADNESS!" and saying the Stone is his to own. Sure, Armadyl warned him of the dangers of the Stone, and yet he still continued to be on the back-him-into-a-corner team.

It's pretty funny that, had he just used the Stone without a second thought, he'd be seen as an unrepentent monster...yet taking the course of (attempting to) reason makes it pitiful. Damned if you do, damned if you don't . " All great changes are preceded by chaos. "

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24-Feb-2015 03:49:34 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2015 03:51:19 by Aterivus

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Raxxess said :
The Mather1 said :
Neo Bestia said :

I can't begin to comprehend why people are giving this gigantic attention to what Saradomin said
AKA. "Saradomin will only ever be right, no matter what he does, by virtue of being Saradomin."

It doesn't make Zamorak any less wrong, but you have to be a special kind of stupid to push the guy with a nuke into a corner and refuse to listen to what he has to say.

I think reasoning breaks down as seen as you need a nuke to talk to people lol. I think when someone like Bandos thinks it goes too far. Might be going to far.
It's not like Zamorak had pocketed the SoJ and confronted the other gods. He was on his knees in a corner with only the SoJ beside him.
From what we know, the other gods confronted Zamorak because:
Bandos - Because he sides with the weaker side in any conflict in order to perpetuate the conflict.
Saradomin - Because he can't stand someone being more powerful than him or having something he wants.
Armadyl - Because Saradomin said to.
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24-Feb-2015 03:50:13

Raxxess

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Hguoh said :
Neo Bestia said :
I can't begin to comprehend why people are giving this gigantic attention to what Saradomin said, but I don't put it past people to soon see him named the culprit of Forinthry destruction.

The essence of what Saradomin said amounted to: kill Zamorak; he's evil; he can't be reasoned with; kill him; and the stone will be mine. I can completely sympathize with Zammy wanting to take out Saradomin once and for all.

That doesn't mean that I don't hold him at fault for being willing to sacrifice every living thing in Forinthry in order to do so.

I think the reason that this is getting so much attention is due to Mr. Order and Wisdom devolving effectively into one of the girls who accused women of witchcraft in Salem, Massachusetts.

I wouldn't relate it to that. It was a war. I think its a good hint going forward that whoever has the stone is more than likely to be ganged up. Especially now that we know it has an addiction quality to it.
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24-Feb-2015 03:50:18

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