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Zulkir

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I didn't even expect to see Saradomin in any form during this quest, and yet he still manages to worm in and prove that he's the next god that needs to die.

It's gone beyond faction wars on the lorum, Saradomin is an evil that needs to be eradicated before he does any harm to this or any other planet.

The stone is not his like he claims. He is not the one true god as he claims.

He has personally decimated a race that didn't want to follow a god.
He has personally left one of his followers for dead out to save face.
He has personally attacked us knowing full well that attack could kill.
He has personally turned his back on an ally then ruined their name in history.

His followers didn't do any of that. His armies didn't do that. He did. Remember that.

He has done good, but as I've pointed out his evil far outweighs any good he has done or could ever do to make up for these shameful actions.

He is unfit to be a god.

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24-Feb-2015 01:57:41

Raxxess

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Zulkir said :
I didn't even expect to see Saradomin in any form during this quest, and yet he still manages to worm in and prove that he's the next god that needs to die.

It's gone beyond faction wars on the lorum, Saradomin is an evil that needs to be eradicated before he does any harm to this or any other planet.

The stone is not his like he claims. He is not the one true god as he claims.

He has personally decimated a race that didn't want to follow a god.
He has personally left one of his followers for dead out to save face.
He has personally attacked us knowing full well that attack could kill.
He has personally turned his back on an ally then ruined their name in history.

His followers didn't do any of that. His armies didn't do that. He did. Remember that.

He has done good, but as I've pointed out his evil far outweighs any good he has done or could ever do to make up for these shameful actions.

He is unfit to be a god.

When you take faction thumping to the point of just wanting to kill a god off is when you should ask if you really care about lore or not.

Saradomin is the third oldest known god, virtually none of his storyline has been explained. Just what we get are tips on the bad things he has done which a lot of which are subjective and none done out of "evil" and that his intentions are always good as Jmod quotes have been. There is good deeds he has done that we know of, and he has still 90% of his history and lore that we have no clue about it.

If fern truly was a pure soul then why would she even follow Saradomin if he was as evil and bad as you want him to be. It is simply because that's just not what Saradomin is.

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24-Feb-2015 02:07:28

Neo Bestia

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I haven't really looked into this supposed "Saradomin's" betrayal of Zamorak, but it seems almost laughable how some people just swallowed Zamorak's dialogue unquestionably and starting pointing fingers at Saradomin.

Of course, this cannot surprise the casual reader; Zamorakians and Co. will do anything in their power to slander the Celestial Archmage at the slightest opportunity.

24-Feb-2015 02:54:06

Raxxess

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Neo Bestia said :
I haven't really looked into this supposed "Saradomin's" betrayal of Zamorak, but it seems almost laughable how some people just swallowed Zamorak's dialogue unquestionably and starting pointing fingers at Saradomin.

Of course, this cannot surprise the casual reader; Zamorakians and Co. will do anything in their power to slander the Celestial Archmage at the slightest opportunity.

I agree. I mean the guy who founded his faction off betrayal sees betrayal as horrid.

It is basically referring to when the gods came together to fight nex, afterwards Bandos, Armadyl, and Saradomin all returned to fighting Zamorak. Basically its like modern global politics if you threaten global destruction its not unlikely that every force is going to band together to stop you. And that is what Zamorak having the stone meant.

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24-Feb-2015 03:04:48

Hguoh

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Neo Bestia said :
I haven't really looked into this supposed "Saradomin's" betrayal of Zamorak, but it seems almost laughable how some people just swallowed Zamorak's dialogue unquestionably and starting pointing fingers at Saradomin.

Of course, this cannot surprise the casual reader; Zamorakians and Co. will do anything in their power to slander the Celestial Archmage at the slightest opportunity.

It was a memory courtesy of the Stone of Jas. But we already knew that Zimzam and the jolly blue giant had an alliance. Zarosian extermination anybody?

24-Feb-2015 03:08:50

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Half Centaur

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@Raxxes

There was a small window of time when Zamorak returned, got the stone, and he and Saradomin worked together- that's right together - to destroy the remnants of Zaros's empire. (Zarosian extermination)

considering the Stone's vision have no bias and I assume Zamorak had nothing to gain from lying to gods that were there when the events unfolded- Saradomin must have 'betrayed' Zamorak, seeing Zamorak as evil (which many of you would say is justified) and wanting the Stone of Jas in his own, 'more capable' hands. And more of the Zarosian Empire- land is always nice.

Zamorak gets mad because he thought they were allies, and he was reclaiming his rightful inheritance for slaying Zaros- who they all hated. "We call it being a hero"

"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

24-Feb-2015 03:10:18 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2015 03:10:47 by Half Centaur

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2008

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Raxxess said :
The recent quest kind of confirms why I prefer saradomin. In comparison Zamorak basically expected most of his followers to bow, and basically had a very strict system. Where as in DOC Saradomin told the adventurer and owen that kind of standing on ceremony and appraisal is unnecessary or wasting time (gotta check the script on which reason it was) I lied at the beginning, never kneeled and stayed neutral in the end, and yet in the end, Zamorak was praising me for my help. The only part of his speech that was anything less than praise was the comment that if I had blasted him as well, we might've been able to kill Sliske, but he said that in a musing way that implied he never expected me to consider that option.
Honestly found him unexpectedly friendly. Almost on par with Icthlarin or Apmeken.

"Abscondita est in Astra."

24-Feb-2015 03:12:40 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2015 03:13:20 by The Mather1

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2010

Half Centaur

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As much as I hate to say it, I do agree with Lethal- Saradomin is not fit to be a god.

At least, not fit to be the god holding the keys to the universe like he wants to be. If he's to remain alive and a god- we need somebody keeping him in line.

^I agree, did the same thing and we so unexpectedly nice. Saradomin was a lot more... abrasive... "We call it being a hero"

"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

24-Feb-2015 03:13:35 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2015 03:14:39 by Half Centaur

Raxxess

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Half Centaur said :
@Raxxes

There was a small window of time when Zamorak returned, got the stone, and he and Saradomin worked together- that's right together - to destroy the remnants of Zaros's empire. (Zarosian extermination)

considering the Stone's vision have no bias and I assume Zamorak had nothing to gain from lying to gods that were there when the events unfolded- Saradomin must have 'betrayed' Zamorak, seeing Zamorak as evil (which many of you would say is justified) and wanting the Stone of Jas in his own, 'more capable' hands. And more of the Zarosian Empire- land is always nice.

Zamorak gets mad because he thought they were allies, and he was reclaiming his rightful inheritance for slaying Zaros- who they all hated.

Wasn't there a whole discussion a long while back how that relates more to an Armies of Gielinor reference that wasn't seen as entirely cannon?

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24-Feb-2015 03:15:30

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2010

Half Centaur

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Raxxess said :

Wasn't there a whole discussion a long while back how that relates more to an Armies of Gielinor reference that wasn't seen as entirely cannon?

No. Especially seeing as an unbiased SoJ memory backs it up now. "We call it being a hero"

"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

24-Feb-2015 03:17:10

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