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Elendil
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KingStannis5 said :
We can accept that Saradomin left them, but based on the reasoning, I can't see why it is a challenge.

He cannot be everywhere, and naturally when taking races int new and dangerous situations he will take the most effective races.

Furthermore, the quote is "almost abandoned", thus necessarily consistent with "not abandoned".

One last point ; this supports Saradomin as wanting his races to live happily in peace, rather than them mindlessly worshiping him, otherwise he would have made sure they remembered him and his religion.

"And also eventually he found other races he considered to be more important or better at what they do than the humans."

It would appear Saradomin didn't leave them to their own devices because he wanted them to be free, but because they were of limited use.

25-May-2014 14:34:51 - Last edited on 25-May-2014 14:35:12 by Elendil

KingStannis5

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Elendil said :
KingStannis5 said :
We can accept that Saradomin left them, but based on the reasoning, I can't see why it is a challenge.

He cannot be everywhere, and naturally when taking races int new and dangerous situations he will take the most effective races.

Furthermore, the quote is "almost abandoned", thus necessarily consistent with "not abandoned".

One last point ; this supports Saradomin as wanting his races to live happily in peace, rather than them mindlessly worshiping him, otherwise he would have made sure they remembered him and his religion.

"And also eventually he found other races he considered to be more important or better at what they do than the humans."

It would appear Saradomin didn't leave them to their own devices because he wanted them to be free, but because they were of limited use.

Don't see how that contradicts my post tbh.

25-May-2014 14:43:38

KingStannis5

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Elendil said :
If he left them because they were of little relative use to him, how does that mean "Saradomin wanted his people to live happily" when there is no evidence to support that?

That was in respomse tohim to keeping remenants of his religion there.

I acknowledge and fully support Saradomin's preference to use the most useful resources available to him in his campaigns.

25-May-2014 15:03:08

Elendil
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All I wanted to note that it is unlikely Saradomin left the Terragardians out of the goodness of his heart, but rather because their use was limited.

Which DIRECTLY contradicts your

"One last point ; this supports Saradomin as wanting his races to live happily in peace, rather than them mindlessly worshiping him, otherwise he would have made sure they remembered him and his religion."

There is no support for that statement at all. I wished to make that clear, because from your last response I got nothing about acknowledging this.

25-May-2014 15:11:59

Neo Bestia

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As it stands, only 1 quote uses abandonment (and as a relative term) and there are three explanations I woun't even call them reasons because there's no conclusive evidence to support an abandonment):

A. Terragardian colonies moved away from the worship of gods to something more specific.
B. The colonies Guthix visited hadn't seen Saradomin for some time and decided to go with Guthix.
C. Saradomin 'kinda abandoned humans' for more favourable species.

There could me more reasons, it could be a multitude. We don't know. We can only speculate.

25-May-2014 16:56:28

Cthris
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Neo Bestia said :
As it stands, only 1 quote uses abandonment (and as a relative term) and there are three explanations I woun't even call them reasons because there's no conclusive evidence to support an abandonment):

A. Terragardian colonies moved away from the worship of gods to something more specific.
B. The colonies Guthix visited hadn't seen Saradomin for some time and decided to go with Guthix.
C. Saradomin 'kinda abandoned humans' for more favourable species.

There could me more reasons, it could be a multitude. We don't know. We can only speculate.

As long as we accept that Saradomin wasn't around I don't care whether people think its for good reasons or bad reasons.


I liked the idea that he kinda pulled a biblical situation where he gave them the laws and how to they should live, and then left saying one day he would return. Eventually they abandoned worshiping him, so it was kind of like a mutual abandonment.

25-May-2014 17:05:10

Neo Bestia

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Cthris said :
Neo Bestia said :
As it stands, only 1 quote uses abandonment (and as a relative term) and there are three explanations I woun't even call them reasons because there's no conclusive evidence to support an abandonment):

A. Terragardian colonies moved away from the worship of gods to something more specific.
B. The colonies Guthix visited hadn't seen Saradomin for some time and decided to go with Guthix.
C. Saradomin 'kinda abandoned humans' for more favourable species.

There could me more reasons, it could be a multitude. We don't know. We can only speculate.

As long as we accept that Saradomin wasn't around I don't care whether people think its for good reasons or bad reasons.


I liked the idea that he kinda pulled a biblical situation where he gave them the laws and how to they should live, and then left saying one day he would return. Eventually they abandoned worshiping him, so it was kind of like a mutual abandonment.

Yes, most quotes seem to suggest that for whatever reasons, Saradomin wasn't around.

Now, are all the quotes situated on the same time frame?

25-May-2014 17:09:11

Cthris
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Neo Bestia said :
Cthris said :
Neo Bestia said :
As it stands, only 1 quote uses abandonment (and as a relative term) and there are three explanations I woun't even call them reasons because there's no conclusive evidence to support an abandonment):

A. Terragardian colonies moved away from the worship of gods to something more specific.
B. The colonies Guthix visited hadn't seen Saradomin for some time and decided to go with Guthix.
C. Saradomin 'kinda abandoned humans' for more favourable species.

There could me more reasons, it could be a multitude. We don't know. We can only speculate.

As long as we accept that Saradomin wasn't around I don't care whether people think its for good reasons or bad reasons.


I liked the idea that he kinda pulled a biblical situation where he gave them the laws and how to they should live, and then left saying one day he would return. Eventually they abandoned worshiping him, so it was kind of like a mutual abandonment.

Yes, most quotes seem to suggest that for whatever reasons, Saradomin wasn't around.

Now, are all the quotes situated on the same time frame?

No thats the important part, the ingame quote is from whenever the quest came out. like 2008

The one from the livestream was pre Bol

The next one is from the OoaK FAQ

Finally the one by raven was from the recent campfire

25-May-2014 17:15:38

KingStannis5

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Elendil said :
All I wanted to note that it is unlikely Saradomin left the Terragardians out of the goodness of his heart, but rather because their use was limited.

Which DIRECTLY contradicts your

"One last point ; this supports Saradomin as wanting his races to live happily in peace, rather than them mindlessly worshiping him, otherwise he would have made sure they remembered him and his religion."

There is no support for that statement at all. I wished to make that clear, because from your last response I got nothing about acknowledging this.

It does not contradict it, because that last point refers to how he doesn't ensure they keep worshiping him.

25-May-2014 22:32:04

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