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Raxxess

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Balustan said :

Also Seraphius while you may not Raxxess and Neo have a problem with it. They can't stand any dislike of Saradomin or any negativity on him at all.

A lot of name shaming today. You can have an opinion and I don't care where that may lie just simply state that's your opinion don't say its some how concrete canon lore.

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23-May-2014 22:05:43

Balustan

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So Raxxess please give examples of your so called non-double standard where you count a J Mod quite as worthwhile as a source while not being positive about Saradomin. Quite frankly you have a double standard and everybody can see it quite clearly.

You put them in 2 categories those that are positive about Saradomin and negative about other gods therefore canon and those that are the opposite which you count as non-canon.

I am well aware not everything J Mod say is lore fact which is why I point out time and time again the lobotomy thing is wrong yet certain Saradominists keep claiming it as fact. I did not purely put my faith in Osborne's quote though I used what is shown about Saradomin and human origins within the game too.

I'm telling you you have a double standard and to be quite honest we see your fanatical attitude towards things. You just have to look at the threads you have created.

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23-May-2014 22:10:29

Balustan

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Seraphius said :
Cthris said :
Mod Osborn did indeed say Saradomin abandoned humans for other, better races. He said this in the Divination Live Stream. Before calling sources thin air, why don't you check them out first. It would save everybody a lot of time.

Seems rather weird logic that it should be me who's responsible for validating a claim that I did not put forward myself.

The Divination Live Stream is hours long - if you want to make a point from an hours long video, I'd say it's common sense that you check the precise point of the video so as to make a specific reference. It's your point and your claim you're making, so it really isn't any of our responsibilities to go and check out a source simply because you said the answer 'is in there somewhere'. Likewise it isn't in my responsibility to necessarily entertain your claim and 'save everybody a lot of time' as well - we can just tldr or outright ignore those unfounded posts should we feel lazy or unreasonable enough; it's because we're trying to be reasonable, civil members of this discussion that we call for objective proof to be presented.

And yes, before you can conclusively present a piece of evidence regarding, well, any claim, it usually is assumed to be unfounded rather than founded. Last I checked the real world's justice system and indeed any form of serious debate works this way.

It is your responsibility to have kept up with the lore if you intend to discuss it. There are many interesting pieces of lore in that livestream about a variety of subjects and thus when posting about lore you should be up to date on that.

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23-May-2014 22:12:26

Balustan

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Raxxess said :
Balustan said :

Also Seraphius while you may not Raxxess and Neo have a problem with it. They can't stand any dislike of Saradomin or any negativity on him at all.

A lot of name shaming today. You can have an opinion and I don't care where that may lie just simply state that's your opinion don't say its some how concrete canon lore.

Indeed because quite frankly I am sick of you and quite a few others for a number of reasons. You have your double standard and you constantly change what you consider canon or not canon and what your argument is and tend to not understand what people are talking about.

For instance when talking about King Vargas you said something about no White knights claiming to be King in reply when I had said nothing of the sort and had simply stated that King Vargas had not passed on his kingship to just anybody.

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23-May-2014 22:14:55

Raxxess

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Balustan said :
So Raxxess please give examples of your so called non-double standard where you count a J Mod quite as worthwhile as a source while not being positive about Saradomin. Quite frankly you have a double standard and everybody can see it quite clearly.

You put them in 2 categories those that are positive about Saradomin and negative about other gods therefore canon and those that are the opposite which you count as non-canon.

I am well aware not everything J Mod say is lore fact which is why I point out time and time again the lobotomy thing is wrong yet certain Saradominists keep claiming it as fact. I did not purely put my faith in Osborne's quote though I used what is shown about Saradomin and human origins within the game too.

I'm telling you you have a double standard and to be quite honest we see your fanatical attitude towards things. You just have to look at the threads you have created.

Again a ton of name shaming and tons of opinion.

On to what actually can be discussed. I explained it pretty well and to me it just seems like extremely easy... If a mod made the quest and he talks about the quest he wrote I'm probably going to take it as a pretty reliable source. I mean I just see a scenario interviewing an author telling you what he was getting at in his book and the interviewer just says "no that's wrong" lol.

For one I have never talked about the Lobtomy quote beacause it was speculation even said it in the quote. but there is a real double standard right there your saying you don't agree with a J-mod quote that makes zaros look bad saying its false but defended a quote from the divination live stream as canon and then say I'm wrong for taking some J-mod quotes as more of a reference than others.

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23-May-2014 22:19:00 - Last edited on 23-May-2014 22:20:17 by Raxxess

Balustan

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I like how you avoided giving the examples I asked for because you don't have any because you do have a double standard.

I can explain how it's not a double standard about the lobotomy thing. Firstly the quote itself said it was non-canonical. Secondly there is nothing that even suggests such a thing in fame whereas with the Saradominist abandonment there are things that would suggest this. If I wanted to deny Zaros negatives I'd do the whole "Dread Lord was lore from 2003 it's outdated", or Mod Jack's posts on the Loarnab lore are simply opinion (he never wrote that so it doesn't fall under your J Mods own content).

I want positives for Saradomin I am writing some myself as part of something Mod Osborne is going to read (check the lore campfire for proof of that also his twitter).

Again you seem to misunderstand what was said as I never said you talked about the lobotomy.

I want you to show me examples not about the positives of Saradomin or the negatives of another god you consider canon. Though as Mod Jack said we can decide on what is canon I do not see the point in the lore forum.

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23-May-2014 22:27:28

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Cthris

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I don't think Balustan cares if a quote makes Zaros look bad, he is one of the few people that believe and occasionaly brings up that instead of leaving the old and sick zarosians behind, the Zarosians leaders executed them to prevent them from being taken by Saradomin.

Its interesting and would fit

23-May-2014 22:29:57

Raxxess

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Balustan said :
I like how you avoided giving the examples I asked for because you don't have any because you do have a double standard.

I can explain how it's not a double standard about the lobotomy thing. Firstly the quote itself said it was non-canonical. Secondly there is nothing that even suggests such a thing in fame whereas with the Saradominist abandonment there are things that would suggest this. If I wanted to deny Zaros negatives I'd do the whole "Dread Lord was lore from 2003 it's outdated", or Mod Jack's posts on the Loarnab lore are simply opinion (he never wrote that so it doesn't fall under your J Mods own content).

I want positives for Saradomin I am writing some myself as part of something Mod Osborne is going to read (check the lore campfire for proof of that also his twitter).

Again you seem to misunderstand what was said as I never said you talked about the lobotomy.

I want you to show me examples not about the positives of Saradomin or the negatives of another god you consider canon. Though as Mod Jack said we can decide on what is canon I do not see the point in the lore forum.

I avoided the example because that vargas quote wasn't from me but it was a nice addition to the conversation.

Plus there is a J-Mod quote on the nihil being sewn together from other corpses which again isn't taken as canon even though stated that's what they were. Mod Jack never said we can decide on what is canon, as memory serves his reply was in response to you, he just said things like J-mod quotes, god letters, AoG are flimsy and not good references. So his post kind sums up why people wouldn't believe a certain lore fact as canon just because it was a quote from a livestream. The quote also seems to be along the same lines name shaming people and being aggressive justifying yourself with a J-mod quote..

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23-May-2014 22:35:28 - Last edited on 23-May-2014 22:37:26 by Raxxess

Raxxess

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Cthris said :
I don't think Balustan cares if a quote makes Zaros look bad, he is one of the few people that believe and occasionaly brings up that instead of leaving the old and sick zarosians behind, the Zarosians leaders executed them to prevent them from being taken by Saradomin.

Its interesting and would fit

He seems to care if makes saradomin look bad lol.

This is how I see it my two cents. First I don't check twitter for quotes I think if there is some special lore it should be said in game or on the games website I just don't like that mods have more activity on their own twitter accounts then in the forums.

And secondly we shouldn't be hovering over J-mods expecting them to give us lore especially pieces that change a lot or re-adjust the lore we have, I mean that also just seems like a lot of pressure that J-mods can't say anything without it being taken literally.

What Balustan is referring to is when Mod Stu clarified that Saradomin didn't try to kill you in DoC. If Mod Stu wrote the quest then yea I'm going to hold his word pretty high because its his quest lol and I don't see why that is so hard comprehend here.

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23-May-2014 22:43:15 - Last edited on 23-May-2014 22:46:39 by Raxxess

Balustan

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What was stated was you can choose which sources you count as canon as long as the source in question is not at that time contradicting the game. Which so a real shame to hear from him as it has given people such as yourself the opportunity to say this positive thing canon, this negative thing I don't want non-canon. I still disagree with him on this and should probably continue arguing the point with him.

Also you are still not giving examples proving you don't have a double standard. Your avoidance proves to me you in fact do.

Also who said that quote is non-canon? I would count it as canon.

Also let's be clear here Saradominists aggressively back themselves up by J Mod quotes. I personally choose to accept them as canon but I can by the same argument turn around and say Mod Stu is wrong nothing in the game backs him up.

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23-May-2014 22:44:15

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