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Raleirosen

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Neo Bestia said :
I think what players that don't support Zaros want to see is actual cannon of Zaros himself being wrong.
He was wrong when he got stabbed by Zamorak. Is that not enough?

Also, canon . Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

04-Feb-2014 23:04:17 - Last edited on 04-Feb-2014 23:04:38 by Raleirosen

Neo Bestia

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Raleirosen said :
Neo Bestia said :
I think what players that don't support Zaros want to see is actual cannon of Zaros himself being wrong.
He was wrong when he got stabbed by Zamorak. Is that not enough?

Also, canon .

Some people are now bringing into question if the stabbing has more to it than meets the eye. And J-Mods being ambiguous about the tripping/falling down element isn't helpful.

Also my internet corrector seems bent on correcting canon (sometimes at least).

But thanks for the reminder.

04-Feb-2014 23:09:53 - Last edited on 04-Feb-2014 23:12:41 by Neo Bestia

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Cthris

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Snowskeeper said :
Cthris said :

But that's the point, its to be controversial, neither clearly one or the other. Anyways you should be getting some Anti Zaros lore soon with the memories of mahjarrat. And jmods have confirmed Zaros cursed them

And don't forget that Zaros bound demons to a pact- was this cruel, or do demons deserve it

Google the definition of pact.

I agree the use of pact in this scenario is not quite its real definition, its more like a blood pact, as Demons to this day are still bound to it and trying to be free from it, as well as the godless stating how Zaros tricked the demons into making this pact.

04-Feb-2014 23:13:04

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Cthris

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here is Ux, a demon who - like Kara-Meir - believes we should be fighting the gods. He is looking to break the pacts that Zaros and Zamorak maintain over his people.

Why would Ux seek to break free his people if they didn't want to leave

Even if we have not resolved this issue of this pact buisness, wait a month, the memories of the mahjarrat talk extensively about the pacts, that should clear everything up

04-Feb-2014 23:17:13

Neo Bestia

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Cthris said :
Neo Bestia said :

I think what players that don't support Zaros want to see is actual cannon of Zaros himself being wrong. With Char, it can be pretty much be justified she confused orders, or let her zeal blind her judgement, with Dragon Riders, it does hint at Zaros not delivering promises, but this is not completely clear either, and the invisible ghosts, they think they were cursed by Zaros, but has this been confirmed already?

But that's the point, its to be controversial, neither clearly one or the other. Anyways you should be getting some Anti Zaros lore soon with the memories of mahjarrat. And jmods have confirmed Zaros cursed them

And don't forget that Zaros bound demons to a pact- was this cruel, or do demons deserve it

Yes, I do agree a general standard for present and future lore should be actions that can be debated as positive/negative depending on those arguing over them, but most gods have some very controversial past mistakes that seem to be relative on Zaros: cursing people that betrayed him isn't nice I'll admit, or forcing demons to fight for him, but both of those don't seem serious enough, and I have yet to see any demon conditions advocate (who isn't a demon, of course, and even Ux has yet to gather enough support yet). Most of the ghosts Zaros cursed are also far from being role-models for society (either way, you could still argue cursing them was a bit too much).

EDIT1: Corrected some slightly of things.

04-Feb-2014 23:20:31 - Last edited on 04-Feb-2014 23:28:35 by Neo Bestia

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Cthris

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Neo Bestia said :
Cthris said :
Neo Bestia said :

I think what players that don't support Zaros want to see is actual cannon of Zaros himself being wrong. With Char, it can be pretty much be justified she confused orders, or let her zeal blind her judgement, with Dragon Riders, it does hint at Zaros not delivering promises, but this is not completely clear either, and the invisible ghosts, they think they were cursed by Zaros, but has this been confirmed already?

But that's the point, its to be controversial, neither clearly one or the other. Anyways you should be getting some Anti Zaros lore soon with the memories of mahjarrat. And jmods have confirmed Zaros cursed them

And don't forget that Zaros bound demons to a pact- was this cruel, or do demons deserve it

Yes, I do agree a general standard for present and future lore should be actions that can be debated as positive/negative depending on those arguing over them, but most gods have some very controversial past mistakes that seem to be relative on Zaros: cursing people that betrayed him isn't nice I'll admit, or forcing demons to fight for him, but both of those seems don't seem serious enough, and I have yet to see any demon advocate. Most of the ghosts Zaros cursed are also far from being role-models for society (either way, you could still argue cursing them was a bit too much).

You don't see the saradominist as good people?, even i think they seem rather benevolent and are just out there to do what they think is best, I respect that.

Well Ux seems cool, so do the slayer masters demons, the demon butler, Zimberfezz too

04-Feb-2014 23:22:33 - Last edited on 04-Feb-2014 23:23:46 by Cthris

Snowskeeper

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Cthris said :
here is Ux, a demon who - like Kara-Meir - believes we should be fighting the gods. He is looking to break the pacts that Zaros and Zamorak maintain over his people.

Why would Ux seek to break free his people if they didn't want to leave

Even if we have not resolved this issue of this pact buisness, wait a month, the memories of the mahjarrat talk extensively about the pacts, that should clear everything up

One daemon does not define a species. Kril Ts*taroth seems pleased enough with his lot in life; there are other examples, though I can't remember them at the moment. A Zamorakian lorehound, probably.

04-Feb-2014 23:27:00 - Last edited on 04-Feb-2014 23:27:13 by Snowskeeper

Neo Bestia

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Cthris said :
Neo Bestia said :
Cthris said :
Neo Bestia said :

I think what players that don't support Zaros want to see is actual cannon of Zaros himself being wrong. With Char, it can be pretty much be justified she confused orders, or let her zeal blind her judgement, with Dragon Riders, it does hint at Zaros not delivering promises, but this is not completely clear either, and the invisible ghosts, they think they were cursed by Zaros, but has this been confirmed already?

But that's the point, its to be controversial, neither clearly one or the other. Anyways you should be getting some Anti Zaros lore soon with the memories of mahjarrat. And jmods have confirmed Zaros cursed them

And don't forget that Zaros bound demons to a pact- was this cruel, or do demons deserve it

Yes, I do agree a general standard for present and future lore should be actions that can be debated as positive/negative depending on those arguing over them, but most gods have some very controversial past mistakes that seem to be relative on Zaros: cursing people that betrayed him isn't nice I'll admit, or forcing demons to fight for him, but both of those seems don't seem serious enough, and I have yet to see any demon advocate. Most of the ghosts Zaros cursed are also far from being role-models for society (either way, you could still argue cursing them was a bit too much).

You don't see the saradominist as good people?, even i think they seem rather benevolent and are just out there to do what they think is best, I respect that.

Well Ux seems cool, so do the slayer masters demons, the demon butler, Zimberfezz too

I have no idea what might have hinted you at believing that I hold Saradominist as evil people. Really, I'm confused.

04-Feb-2014 23:32:00

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Cthris

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Neo Bestia said :

I have no idea what might have hinted you at believing that I hold Saradominist as evil people. Really, I'm confused.

Zaros cursed some Saradominist, two of them, you said that they were not very good people, and cursing them was rationlized

04-Feb-2014 23:45:33

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Cthris

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Snowskeeper said :
Cthris said :
here is Ux, a demon who - like Kara-Meir - believes we should be fighting the gods. He is looking to break the pacts that Zaros and Zamorak maintain over his people.

Why would Ux seek to break free his people if they didn't want to leave

Even if we have not resolved this issue of this pact buisness, wait a month, the memories of the mahjarrat talk extensively about the pacts, that should clear everything up

One daemon does not define a species. Kril Ts*taroth seems pleased enough with his lot in life; there are other examples, though I can't remember them at the moment.

But he is already free (ux) why would he want to free others if they enjoyed it? To me this clearly shows more want to be free.

Another example is Thammon

04-Feb-2014 23:47:18

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