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Amserdrwys
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So I am Yog. A Godless Guthixian. I am also a close friend of Kittyphantom. I have a lot of respect for Saradomin, even relating to him at some points. I enjoy his practicality in warfare and realize he is far more tolerant than we are led to believe.

I enjoy not only taking in lore from story and events, but also attempting to find wisdom in them. Here are a few things I have found that I think appreciators of wisdom can consider.

I challenge you not to think of hope as a vague and unimaginable future. Live EVERY day with hope in your heart. In doing so, you CREATE the future you dream of.


The lesson of true wisdom lies within you, dear heroes, and in the choices you make. When faced with overwhelming darkness, will you make the right decisions?


First, accept the ways of living and thinking that sometimes conflict with your own and think about what's really important---this will truly broaden your horizons


There are lots of mysteries in the world. But the truth is that maybe... those things aren't all that mysterious at all... Maybe they're just things I don't know about yet. And that's why they seem mysterious.


You have the power to change your destiny.


I trust you have learned: to fight out of fear or anger is to fight a war that never ends. Find peace within yourself, so that you may share it with the world around you. Surely these are the greatest treasures in life.

30-Jan-2014 20:38:15 - Last edited on 30-Jan-2014 20:38:37 by Amserdrwys

Cthris
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Nice thread OP, if you would like my opinion on Saradomin, here it is, I feel it is slightly different from your average Zarosian.

I see him as sort of a Snape, (the book Snape, not the movie), Snape while doing stuff he really didn't want to do, did it to protect Harry and the other young wizards, just as Saradomin does what he does to protect the world.

Although he made many mistakes in the past, such as joining Voldemort, in the end he made up for himself, just like Saradomin is trying to make up for his destruction of the Naragi city and the deaths of very any of them.

While Snape could not contain his hate for James, and sometimes this hate was misdirected on Harry, he really didn't mean it. Just like Saradomins anger and pride escapes.

When Snape tried to save the young wizards from the death eaters while they were riding the broomsticks, he fired a curse at a deatheater, it missed and hit Fred, while this looks bad, it wasn't the intended result, but we, and harry don't know this until the story is almost complete, (this may be similar to the wing ripping incident, idk)

I feel Saradomin will be like this, getting constantly bombarded with bad lore until at the end it is shown what his true side is, the question for us all to decide for ourselves, does he deserve it for his actions.

03-Feb-2014 01:18:21 - Last edited on 03-Feb-2014 01:20:25 by Cthris

Neo Bestia

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Cthris said :
Nice thread OP, if you would like my opinion on Saradomin, here it is, I feel it is slightly different from your average Zarosian.

I see him as sort of a Snape, (the book Snape, not the movie), Snape while doing stuff he really didn't want to do, did it to protect Harry and the other young wizards, just as Saradomin does what he does to protect the world.

Although he made many mistakes in the past, such as joining Voldemort, in the end he made up for himself, just like Saradomin is trying to make up for his destruction of the Naragi city and the deaths of very any of them.

While Snape could not contain his hate for James, and sometimes this hate was misdirected on Harry, he really didn't mean it. Just like Saradomins anger and pride escapes.

When Snape tried to save the young wizards from the death eaters while they were riding the broomsticks, he fired a curse at a deatheater, it missed and hit Fred, while this looks bad, it wasn't the intended result, but we, and harry don't know this until the story is almost complete, (this may be similar to the wing ripping incident, idk)

I feel Saradomin will be like this, getting constantly bombarded with bad lore until at the end it is shown what his true side is, the question for us all to decide for ourselves, does he deserve it for his actions.

I like this line of thought (a tad more than the Saradomin = Umbridge one).

Even so, only when Snape is finally dead do we get to see his attitude can be justified. Unfortunately, it won't do much good to Saradominism as a whole if Saradomin dies a "good" god: he'd still be dead.

That's why I can't emphasize enough why all gods need to get a balanced of good and bad actions that reflect their characters, or actions that can be justified both sides.

03-Feb-2014 17:30:52

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Neo Bestia said :

I like this line of thought (a tad more than the Saradomin = Umbridge one).

Even so, only when Snape is finally dead do we get to see his attitude can be justified. Unfortunately, it won't do much good to Saradominism as a whole if Saradomin dies a "good" god: he'd still be dead.

That's why I can't emphasize enough why all gods need to get a balanced of good and bad actions that reflect their characters, or actions that can be justified both sides.

I agree. At the moment, only Zamorak, Bandos and Saradomin have been balanced properly--the others still need to have work done; that should have happened before the World Events started. Further, quests like the Death of Chivalry and Missing, Presumed Dead (along with quests representing the other gods) should have been mandatory for participation in the World Event; they're easy enough to do, even for complete novices, and put on display a wealth of lore regarding the gods. In DoC for example, Saradomin isn't displayed as a pure Good God of Good--but he isn't necessarily TEH SATAN either. He's shown as more of a good guy with a bad temper. Of course, Zamorakians in that quest are basically blood-thirsty maniacs, which is why you'd need to do MPD--Zamorak condemns the actions of Dawn during that quest, which implies he doesn't agree with what the Kinshra were doing there in general. A Zamorakian lorehound, probably.

03-Feb-2014 17:36:09

Neo Bestia

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Snowskeeper said :
Neo Bestia said :

I like this line of thought (a tad more than the Saradomin = Umbridge one).

Even so, only when Snape is finally dead do we get to see his attitude can be justified. Unfortunately, it won't do much good to Saradominism as a whole if Saradomin dies a "good" god: he'd still be dead.

That's why I can't emphasize enough why all gods need to get a balanced of good and bad actions that reflect their characters, or actions that can be justified both sides.

I agree. At the moment, only Zamorak, Bandos and Saradomin have been balanced properly--the others still need to have work done; that should have happened before the World Events started. Further, quests like the Death of Chivalry and Missing, Presumed Dead (along with quests representing the other gods) should have been mandatory for participation in the World Event; they're easy enough to do, even for complete novices, and put on display a wealth of lore regarding the gods. In DoC for example, Saradomin isn't displayed as a pure Good God of Good--but he isn't necessarily TEH SATAN either. He's shown as more of a good guy with a bad temper. Of course, Zamorakians in that quest are basically blood-thirsty maniacs, which is why you'd need to do MPD--Zamorak condemns the actions of Dawn during that quest, which implies he doesn't agree with what the Kinshra were doing there in general.

Some mandatory quests seem a sensible solution. Of course you'd have to wonder how many would do them just to participate on the event (perhaps why Jagex hasn't done it before).

Although, as regards to Dawn and Zamorak, I do find it slightly off, that even if Zamorak doesn't condone what Dawn was going to do, he wasn't much into stopping it either. It kinda felt to me like I don't agree with what you plan on doing, but I'm not going to be the one to stop you .

03-Feb-2014 18:09:49 - Last edited on 03-Feb-2014 18:10:46 by Neo Bestia

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Neo Bestia said :


Some mandatory quests seem a sensible solution. Of course you'd have to wonder how many would do them just to participate on the event (perhaps why Jagex hasn't done it before).

Although, as regards to Dawn and Zamorak, I do find it slightly off, that even if Zamorak doesn't condone what Dawn was going to do, he wasn't much into stopping it either. It kinda felt to me like I don't agree with what you plan on doing, but I'm not going to be the one to stop you .

He's not into direct intervention unless things are stagnating. He isn't into pure, unfiltered, unreasoning destruction, but if people can't fix a problem themselves he isn't going to fix it for them. I would have appreciated it if he'd at least informed the PC what was going on, but all the same.

To be clear about my beliefs: in my opinion the best-case scenario is one in which all the remaining gods survive and cooperate. Zamorak is my favourite god, and if all but one of the gods are going to die then Zamorak is who I want to survive, but I'd much rather have a universe where chaos, order, limited control, serenity and justice are able to coexist. Unfortunately, that seems unlikely at this point. A Zamorakian lorehound, probably.

03-Feb-2014 18:16:45

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Snowskeeper said :
Neo Bestia said :


Some mandatory quests seem a sensible solution. Of course you'd have to wonder how many would do them just to participate on the event (perhaps why Jagex hasn't done it before).

Although, as regards to Dawn and Zamorak, I do find it slightly off, that even if Zamorak doesn't condone what Dawn was going to do, he wasn't much into stopping it either. It kinda felt to me like I don't agree with what you plan on doing, but I'm not going to be the one to stop you .

He's not into direct intervention unless things are stagnating. He isn't into pure, unfiltered, unreasoning destruction, but if people can't fix a problem themselves he isn't going to fix it for them. I would have appreciated it if he'd at least informed the PC what was going on, but all the same.

To be clear about my beliefs: in my opinion the best-case scenario is one in which all the remaining gods survive and cooperate. Zamorak is my favourite god, and if all but one of the gods are going to die then Zamorak is who I want to survive, but I'd much rather have a universe where chaos, order, limited control, serenity and justice are able to coexist. Unfortunately, that seems unlikely at this point.

It seems hard to believe that most god existing on Gielinor at the moment will not eventually clash; the future is very unclear at this point.

But with sensible NPC such as the Lord of the Kinshra and Sir Tiffy compromises can be achieved to face large threats (and keep Gielinor safe).

And depending on how Zaros turns out to be, our previous alliance might need to be rekindled.

03-Feb-2014 18:27:40

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Neo Bestia said :
It seems hard to believe that most god existing on Gielinor at the moment will not eventually clash; the future is very unclear at this point.

But with sensible NPC such as the Lord of the Kinshra and Sir Tiffy compromises can be achieved to face large threats (and keep Gielinor safe).

And depending on how Zaros turns out to be, our previous alliance might need to be rekindled.

Yeah, but ideally they'll be able to restrict those conflicts to squabbles, or to games like Castle Wars (although that's probably non-canon. =( ), where they and their followers can sort them out without any loss of life. A Zamorakian lorehound, probably.

03-Feb-2014 18:32:24

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