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Zulkir

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Hazeel said :
Maiden China said :
That... makes me a bit sad that I wasn't really involved with lore until 2012

back in 2011, I thought mahjarrat were dudes with turbans in al kharid for some reason

Honestly, be grateful. The lore community used to be awful...so much so that the faction warring was actually preferable to the seething personal hatred that preceded it.

I miss Faction wars. Fun, engaging, banter.
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31-Aug-2016 12:55:08

Eren Lapucet

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Added a line or two about the tsp fc. Don't think it needs more. Changed the line about who created AZA, although I probably phrased it weird (someone did tell me that the Red Armadyleans were mostly responsible for it, so I have to compromise somehow).

Sliske, your link doesn't work.

On that note though, Attila sent me documents that records a large number of posts in the ToZ threads dated the beginning of 2007. With his permission, it could be posted somewhere offsite if anyone would be interested. I'm too Unaligned to have a forum signature.

31-Aug-2016 16:03:33 - Last edited on 31-Aug-2016 16:08:03 by Eren Lapucet

A Mighty

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Loved this thread! I never knew there was so much history before I joined the lore community (early 2013, right after TWW). And seeing the amount that has transpired makes me feel both old and nostalgic! To think, there was a time when the FGU regulars hated us lorehounds because we clogged up FGU with lore threads! We were all like "It's not our fault! We only post here because this is the only place we can post! If there was a dedicated lore forum our problems would be solved!"

As a charter member of the AZA, I'll attempt to clear up some of the confusion. Before the launch of RuneScape 3 and the Battle of Lumbridge with it, there was a FC for dedicated followers of Armadyl, called "Armadylians" (The spelling was because "Armadyleans" wasn't used by Jagex yet). This FC, which I believe was founded shortly after TWW, showed no signs of faltering until the portal opened. The members of the FC agreed unanimously beforehand to join Saradomin in his fight against Bandos (Who was presumed to come out of the portal). When Zamorak came out instead, there was an instant split in the FC. Sky created the "Red armadyleans" thread on day 1 of the BoL, and he founded the clan with Ancient, who was Zamorakian. All of the red armadyleans from the FC, including myself, joined the AZA. Ancient brought along most of the Zamorakians in the lore community, including Hazeel (Then DarkestLord).

The AZA continued even after the BOL. By then it had expanded to include more factions, and was a general lore clan. Then, MPD came out, in which Armadyl specifically mentioned Zamorak's chaos was not feasible with his ideals. The members of the AZA unanimously agreed on 3 things: First, Armadyl was right. An alliance was impossible. Second, the line of dialogue was placed into MPD by Jagex to specifically shut down the AZA (Which many of us still believe :P ) And third, we still wanted to be in a clan together. So we renamed ourselves "The Undivided".

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To those cursed by war and pest, Come into the light of Armadyl and rest. This is the law of Armadyl.

31-Aug-2016 21:49:47

A Mighty

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[continued from previous post]

Since The Undivided still included all the previous AZA members, it was still the go-to place to discuss lore. Since the AZA name had been formally dropped, the clan saw a rise in members from other factions, though it was still predominantly Armadylean and Zamorakian. It was then decided that the clan would create a FC for discussing lore. It was called "Lore Union". Eventually the name was changed to "Lore FC", and it is of course the FC that we all know and love to this day.

The Undivided continued as a clan until the dawn of World Event 2, The Bird and the Beast. Tensions in the clan were already high, and they continued to increase as several of the prominent Zamorakians, led by Hazeel (Who was the leader of the Undivided) began to attack Armadyl on the lore forums, as they had sided with Bandos. The Armadyleans, led by Sky, decided to create their own clan. Sky created Crystal Wings as a clan of Armadyleans and Serenists, partnering with Ancient, who was now Serenist. The Zamorakians renamed the Undivided Flame of Chaos, which exists to this day. As far as I am aware, FoC is still the same clan with the same citadel as the AZA had. It just changed its name twice.

Crystal Wings had a magnificant run as a clan, lasting for over a year. Over time, the clan became less and less faction-based, and was eventually renamed "Arcane Chroniclers", to focus more on lore. By then, most of the Armadyleans in the clan were roleplaying as Aviansies. was not liked by the non-Armadyleans, and even some of the non-aviansie Armadyleans such as myself had become annoyed by the constant shouts of "Screeeeeeee!" in the CC. Eventually, most of the Armadyleans left to form their own clan, and the remainder of AC could not survive without its backbone. So Sky disbanded it in the fall of 2015. The members who left AC formed "The Aviansie Crew", which exists to this day and is now the destination for Armadyl-related discussion.
To those cursed by war and pest, Come into the light of Armadyl and rest. This is the law of Armadyl.

31-Aug-2016 21:49:57 - Last edited on 31-Aug-2016 22:05:37 by A Mighty

Hazeel

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Lore Union! That's what it was called back then! I had forgotten...

Anyway the FC I was refering to was AZA. We were originally an FC for awhile, but as more and more people started using it as a hub, I suggested we just make it a clan during one of our meetings. At the time it made sense, since practically everyone seemed to be using it it (aside from THO) and we figured making it a clan would be more convieniant when people needed to use other FCs for things like GOP or Dung.

IIRC many of us figured everyone would join eventually, whether as members or guests and that THO would eventually reconcile and possibly merge as other smaller lore clans had done. Didn't really account for TSP though. It had gone so inactive and distant from the lore community, I sorta forgot about it. ^^; Even now, I see it sort of its own 5th Age Lore Community, while the Lorums/FC is sorta the 6th Age Lore Community.

But yeah, there were a lot of issues with having a clan compared to an FC that I, and many others, did not foresee. The fact that I owned the alt with the owner rank drew a lot more paranoia than I thought it would, whether it be because of my faction or my outspoken views. I ended up facing a lot of the problems Dethal faces today and, like Dethal, a lot of people did start to view me as the leader even though I didn't want to be seen as such.

With all the drama over splitting, I admit I dimissed the FC at first. I thought surely if a clan would undergo such drama, an FC would be much more. But I suppose once you remove the ranking system and stop trying to faction balance everything, it becomes a lot easier. The splits we've ended up having are a lot smaller, a lot less dramatic, and practically negligable compared to a clan's. I suppose the lack of permanence in an FC helps too. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

31-Aug-2016 22:22:25 - Last edited on 31-Aug-2016 22:29:34 by Hazeel

Chaos Lupus

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Wait, Armadyl's statement in MPD was an actual factor for the Armadyleans leaving the AZA? It was always just a player's alliance for most of us. Were people actually expecting for an alliance in the story of the Sixth Age? I mean, we had Zarosians, at least one Saradominist, and a Bandosian too. That would've been a boring God War (not that what we actually got was much better).
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01-Sep-2016 02:15:15

Hazeel

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Chaos Lupus said :
Wait, Armadyl's statement in MPD was an actual factor for the Armadyleans leaving the AZA? It was always just a player's alliance for most of us. Were people actually expecting for an alliance in the story of the Sixth Age? I mean, we had Zarosians, at least one Saradominist, and a Bandosian too. That would've been a boring God War (not that what we actually got was much better).

Funny...that's the exact reaction you and I had back then too. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

01-Sep-2016 02:56:53

A Mighty

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Hazeel said :


With all the drama over splitting, I admit I dimissed the FC at first. I thought surely if a clan would undergo such drama, an FC would be much more. But I suppose once you remove the ranking system and stop trying to faction balance everything, it becomes a lot easier. The splits we've ended up having are a lot smaller, a lot less dramatic, and practically negligable compared to a clan's. I suppose the lack of permanence in an FC helps too.

Don't forget there wasn't any arguing over the citadel either; that caused a lot of drama in the clan as well..
To those cursed by war and pest, Come into the light of Armadyl and rest. This is the law of Armadyl.

01-Sep-2016 18:22:21

Hazeel

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A Mighty said :
Don't forget there wasn't any arguing over the citadel either; that caused a lot of drama in the clan as well..

Oh God the citadel...

When we voted on that, I was one of the very few who spoke out against it. I was outnumbered--even the Zamorakians mutually agreed with having it. So I conceded defeat and slaved away, capping every single week....I managed to get the citadel to Tier 6...and what happens the moment I step down from leadership? They abolish the citadel. ._. You would think I was holding a gun to their head or something... Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

01-Sep-2016 19:04:58

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