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Raleirosen

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Cthris said :
Lol you got me. Didn't know chrissake is a thing :P Still feels so wrong without a t thrown in lol, like that's my actual name! I actually never noticed the anagram in your name, lol. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

16-Mar-2017 18:26:39

Rifleavenger
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Big Storms said :

Yet my character is still strongly driven by a moral compass, one of the main morals being to treat everyone equally and act according to rules one wishes to be universal and hence reciprocal (Kant's ethological rule for those interested). Kant? This calls for trolley problem memes!

The World Guardian is in a railyard where Armadyl and Seren have been tied to a train track. Bandos has been tied to a separate track. None of the gods can escape because plot. The Elder Trolley has runaway up track, and if it stays on course it will run over Armadyl and Seren, killing them. The World Guardian has the option to pull a nearby lever which would switch the tracks, sparing Armadyl/Seren but killing Bandos. Should the World Guardian pull the lever?

My opinion? Pull the lever. But if you really ascribe to Kantian ethics you wouldn't.

(In before multi-track drifting jokes)

Cthris said :
Anyways, to the post above, I'm interesting in knowing about your motivation for subscribing to Kantian duty ethics? In all seriousness I'd love to hear you elaborate on your reasoning too.

16-Mar-2017 20:33:01 - Last edited on 16-Mar-2017 20:46:17 by Rifleavenger

Solanumtinkr

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Rifleavenger said :
Big Storms said :

Yet my character is still strongly driven by a moral compass, one of the main morals being to treat everyone equally and act according to rules one wishes to be universal and hence reciprocal (Kant's ethological rule for those interested). Kant? This calls for trolley problem memes!

The World Guardian is in a railyard where Armadyl and Seren have been tied to a train track. Bandos has been tied to a separate track. None of the gods can escape because plot. The Elder Trolley has runaway up track, and if it stays on course it will run over Armadyl and Seren, killing them. The World Guardian has the option to pull a nearby lever which would switch the tracks, sparing Armadyl/Seren but killing Bandos. Should the World Guardian pull the lever?

My opinion? Pull the lever. But if you really ascribe to Kantian ethics you wouldn't.

(In before multi-track drifting jokes)



Switch the track back from Bandos when the trolly is half way over the points and derail it! :D The purpose of adventure is to shine light into dark places,
Poke monsters with a sharp stick, Then steal anything that isn't nailed down!
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16-Mar-2017 21:19:30

Cthris
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Rifleavenger said :

Cthris said :
Anyways, to the post above, I'm interesting in knowing about your motivation for subscribing to Kantian duty ethics? In all seriousness I'd love to hear you elaborate on your reasoning too.
Believe me I'd love to give reasoning of any sort lol but I don't believe I made any claim or choice that needs reasoning. For the record, I'm definetly not Kantian; pyrrhonian skepticism is more my style.

Though for the record I wouldn't switch the track. I'm not clever enough to figure out what the right thing to do is, if there even is a right thing to do, so i don't do anything.

16-Mar-2017 23:22:42 - Last edited on 16-Mar-2017 23:26:31 by Cthris

Rifleavenger
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Solanumtinkr said :
]Switch the track back from Bandos when the trolly is half way over the points and derail it! :D

The trolley derails, sparing all the gods, but the crash kills Kara-Meir and the other extremist Godless onboard.

Though you did so unintentionally, the Godless died as a result of your actions. On the other hand, you later learn they were responsible for tying the gods to the track in the first place. In light of these unexpected events, were your actions still justified?

Cthris said :
Rifleavenger said :

Cthris said :
Anyways, to the post above, I'm interesting in knowing about your motivation for subscribing to Kantian duty ethics? In all seriousness I'd love to hear you elaborate on your reasoning too.
Believe me I'd love to give reasoning of any sort lol but I don't believe I made any claim or choice that needs reasoning. For the record, I'm definetly not Kantian; pyrrhonian skepticism is more my style.

Though for the record I wouldn't switch the track. I'm not clever enough to figure out what the right thing to do is, if there even is a right thing to do, so i don't do anything.

I was echoing your request to Big Storms; the question and comments were directed towards him and not you. Sorry that was unclear.

16-Mar-2017 23:35:07 - Last edited on 16-Mar-2017 23:40:34 by Rifleavenger

A Mad Hatter
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Way I figure it, all 4 of the choices from DoD pretty much align with my character's reasons for joining the Godless.

For some context: as much as I respect the ideals of the different gods, I find the gods themselves to be pretty shady in the bigger picture...mostly because as nice as some of the recruitment pitches sound, I find it unlikely that even the 'good' gods are going to be willing to let the one person capable of resisting their power live long enough to collect on our end of the bargain once they do whatever they need to do.

Also, we Hatter types have other allegiances that...conflict with just about every other faction besides V's and the Godless. So to that end....

To gain knowledge and skills. - Wanna stand against gods? Might as well learn something new and refine the skills that got me this far so I'm ready for the next big curveball that gets thrown my way.

For the joy of adventuring. - Adventuring is pretty fun as it is. Throw in immortal divine things and their politics and it gets a little more interesting. It beats the mindless grind at least.

To earn glory and renown. - Do I really need to spell out how big a deal fighting or killing a god (or at least messing up their stuff) is for this motivation? I've been waiting to take a swing at some of those jerks since this crap started O_o

To get a reward at the end. - Glory and renown would be good enough on top of being in the front row to witness divine politics, but c'mon...being the one to actually win against the gods when your own faction has none of their own has to mean we get some prime looting opportunities sooner or later...or at the very least the gods themselves might be dumb enough to give me something for hauling their carcasses out of the fire for later.
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17-Mar-2017 04:40:57

Big Storms

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Wow I did not know my comment would get so much response :O ! love the railcart problem in a Gielinor setting =p

Anyways, acting according to rules you want to be laws for everyone is a for me a solid base for equality. The problem you use though in my view simply has no ethically sound solution: pull the lever, your action to do so has killed a person. Do not pull the lever: your action to do nothing has killed a person. Either way someone dies so there is no solution that would comply with said ethic compass.
You could go for an utilitarian approach to ensure your action will result in what you deem to be the best outcome (the least bad one). Still deontologically the choice would be unethical regardless. It also would rise questions towards your definitions of better outcomes and your ability to predict. In fact, my character walked this road with making Seren complete by including Eluned as well. Lets just say that much like Armadyl, he tries to abide a certain moral compass but is not perfect in doing so. Armadyl killing Bandos is a quite similar deviation from his normal moral compass for example, choosing methods justified by the goals. Yet he regrets this choice when talking to Vorago. Like I said every god has its flaws, hence me not following one and carving a path of my own and helping/opposing gods when ideals align/contrast.

I hope that gives a bit of explanation, without derailing (pun intented =p) the thread "One should not mindlessly follow gods or the godless:
follow
your
own
path
"
~Big Storms

17-Mar-2017 14:57:57 - Last edited on 17-Mar-2017 15:03:24 by Big Storms

Astraea L

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Jexel Luminel, like most humans in the Fifth Age, was raised Saradominist, so it was only natural that he would follow Saradomin. As a child and teenager, he was not particularly devout, but there was one aspect of the religion that always interested him: stories of saints and heroes fighting against evil.

As an adventurer, that is what drives him. That desire to protect and help others and to punish the wicked. He continues to faithfully serve Saradomin because he believes Saradomin is the god who most closely aligns with those ideals. Additionally, he often feels like his power and responsibility has isolated him from ordinary people and taken away any possibility for him to live a "normal" life. Because of this, he finds Saradomin, in many ways, to be easier to relate to than normal people, as Saradomin's godhood has put him in a similar position.

Additionally, Jexel firmly believes in Saradomin's advocacy for peace, order, and wisdom. He dreams of a world where nobody will have to die in the struggle against evil anymore, where everyone will be united under a common good, and where people will be free to advance and grow, no longer burdened by any threats to their safety and able to turn their minds towards achieving their dreams and attaining greater knowledge and wisdom, resulting in a safe, stable, strong, compassionate, and enlightened society.

He has come to realize that he may not feel at home in such a society, as his career as an adventurer has been defined by conflict and adversity, but he thinks he would be able to adjust to it over time, and that even if he couldn't, it would be a worthy sacrifice for the good of everyone else.

Ha, just kidding! He's actually an evil Saradominist who aided in lulling the people into a false sense of security, before plotting to dethrone Saradomin and become a tyrant. All hail His Jexellency, the World Guardian emperor Jexel! Ruler of all things and slayer of the gods!
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18-Mar-2017 17:35:43 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2017 17:41:25 by Astraea L

Conman978
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Faction choice:
Character's faction choice has been all over the place. During TWW, sided with Guthixians b/c I didn't want to see Guthix die. Sided with Icthlarin in MPD. FOTG, wanted to believe Zaros was basically a bro, could never bring myself to trusting him. DAT, trusted Zamorak and helped him, didn't reconcile my concerns about what a Zamorakian society would look like. CoM, sided with Zaros as often as I could to see what that felt like. SE, couldn't decide on any god to support, Sliske flipped a shit and told me to pick, so I chose myself as a cop out way of delaying my choice.

Never really role played as my character, kind of just picked what resonated with me. I liked Guthix, but his stubborn no-gods-at-all-because-naragun shtick got old real quick. I was distrustful of Saradomin, Armadyl, and Seren as I thought they were all lying about being benevolent or entirely forces for good (they may never have said any of this, but that's how I understood them preaching about their ideas).

I would tentatively say my character is back to a Saradominist.

Motivations:
Coming full-circle, my character takes his role as WG seriously. I really liked Saradomin's sympathizing with the WG prior to the Endgame starting with his whole "I understand your burden because I know what having one is like" (paraphrase. This is when you try to find out his plans). I have moved farther away from seeing the WG as a "gods-get-out" mentality and now my character is more ready to accept Saradomin's or even Armadyl's style of sometimes playing dirty to ensure their visions of peace and cooperation. Think you said it best @Raleirosen when you said Zaros' goodwill is incidental to his ambition. I don't trust him anymore, but I'm still interested in him because in a December 2016 post Jagex mentioned "he will be key, but will he survive Sliske's EG??".

TL;DR no clue.

18-Mar-2017 21:00:37

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