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Raleirosen

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Ancient Drew said :
I wonder if anyone thought of making a deliberately evil Saradominist who aided in lulling the people into a false sense of security, before plotting to dethrone Saradomin and become a tyrant that makes him look like Gary Stu?
I'm pretty sure that describes Saint Jexel's character. Hopefully he can confirm in this thread.

Ancient Drew said :
I'm a Zarosian, but I have a lot of Armadylean sympathies. Therefore, I have my own sense of justice while seeking to attain power and wisdom for myself, in the hopes that I can become a hero that can overcome anything and solve any problem.
Do you feel that your sense of justice conflicts with Zaros' brand of ends-justify-the-means ruthlessness?

Questcaping said :
She generally agrees with the whole balance philosophy, though she's not exactly good at staying balanced herself -- D&D alignments-wise, she tends towards Chaotic Good (though that's becoming more Neutral Good as of late). She does as she will, adventuring for fun and for memories and to help out those in need.
What is the relationship between her helping those in need and the philosophy of balance? Does she occasionally persecute those in need in order to stay balanced? Do you not sense a contradiction in being Chaotic Good/Neutral Good and Guthix's ideology? That's the sort of thing I'm asking about.
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15-Mar-2017 19:56:11 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2017 20:08:23 by Raleirosen

ZAmorakZaros
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I aim for world domination. Well mainly to rule all the fremmy lands, Morytania, Kandarin, Asgarnia, wilderness and Troll lands. I will leave misthalin alone if Roald becomes a better ruler. Getting rid of Aeonisig was a step to the right direction NO
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15-Mar-2017 20:08:22

Ancient Drew

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Raleirosen said :
Ancient Drew said :
I'm a Zarosian, but I have a lot of Armadylean sympathies. Therefore, I have my own sense of justice while seeking to attain power and wisdom for myself, in the hopes that I can become a hero that can overcome anything and solve any problem.
Do you feel that your sense of justice conflicts with Zaros' brand of ends-justify-the-means ruthlessness?
Zaros is basically a dark Saradomin. Since I started off as a Saradominist and came to gain ancient powers while learning about the advancements of the empire and that there's no such thing as black and white, his faction was quite appealing to me.

Though at times I do sometimes feel a sense of conflict sometimes. I agree when he says that there are no absolutes (nobody is perfect as is proven by Saradomin, and nor is anyone pure evil), but I suppose I disagree with some of his actions. In the end though, I do think he wants to help.
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15-Mar-2017 21:10:06

Rifleavenger
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I'd say my character's motivation has changed over time. At first, he simply wanted adventure, to actually use his swordplay and spellcraft rather than just learn about it. To see the world and the things in it firsthand. Maybe be a local hero somewhere, then go back to being an academic when he wanted the quiet life again.

That changed over time, both as he discovered knowledge few others could dream of, got involved in events all over Gielinor, witnessed darkness and suffering across the world, and suffered personal loss (RIP Cyrisus, Hazelmere, and so many others since). He'd not been a particularly pious person before, but what ideals he had been taught before and during his adventures wouldn't let him walk away from it all. As his responsibilities grew, so did his sense of purpose and a rejection of his old "selfish" motives for adventuring. When he was elevated to World Guardian, given the right to help determine the very future of this star (and maybe more) he decided to change the world rather than heeding Guthix's plea to simply preserve the freedom of people to choose their own fate.

My character wants the peace he once knew back, for everyone. A world without fear, without war, without chaos, and without injustice. When the voices of the people cultivating the land, prospering together, and finding joy in their families will echo throughout Gielinor today, tomorrow, and every tomorrow to come.

Alas, the loftiest of goals demand a high price to be attained, and perhaps are unattainable even then. Yet he tries nonetheless, and would side with anyone else who shares his vision of the future. An alliance of factions with amenable philosophies to his own would be ideal, but if the World Guardian must side with only one or go it alone, he will.

For clarification:

Faction = Swap between Saradomin/Armadyl officially, seeking an alliance between several gods in actuality.

15-Mar-2017 22:03:05 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2017 22:27:16 by Rifleavenger

Rifleavenger
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To give a little elaboration, he's not totally given up his identity as an academic. Magical lore, knowledge, and power are some his greatest assets. Being alright with a blade and surprisingly effective in an assortment of trades helps too. Still, magic, scholarship, and respect for intellectuals are things he values highly. He's still a curious person, and with every earth shattering revelation leading to new questions that need answers (and problems in need of solutions) he's not wanting for topics of study.

As for ethics, I'd say he mirrors Saradomin or at least the Temple Knights quite well. Do it the ethical way if you can, aim for that to be the basis of your society, but some goals (like preserving that society) require you to dirty your hands. He fully agrees with Xenia's retort to anyone who accuses her of deciding who lives and who dies; we all do it every time we adventure, every time we decide who to save and who to oppose. Methods aren't irrelevant, but they matter less than intent and results.

A great example of both of these points was in Heart of Stone. He agreed with Xenia that the needs of the many may demand the sacrifice of the few, but rejected her actual solution. On the surface he'd say that the plan ran the risk of killing Gielinor (you don't dump all the Anima out of the planet with 0 consequence), but under it the prospect of losing magic likely drove him as much as it drove Arianne.

I apologize for this being long winded, I'm not the best at being concise. Also, this assumes his wilderness escapades and frequent stops to grind skills or play minigames are non-canon ~post-WGS.

15-Mar-2017 22:03:14 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2017 22:43:54 by Rifleavenger

Raleirosen

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ZAmorakZaros said :
I aim for world domination. Well mainly to rule all the fremmy lands, Morytania, Kandarin, Asgarnia, wilderness and Troll lands. I will leave misthalin alone if Roald becomes a better ruler. Getting rid of Aeonisig was a step to the right direction
Solanumtinkr said :
Shinies, loot, adventuring, helping out and tweaking the bad guy to give them a really bad day!
Okay seriously, this thread has two key components: motivation and faction. Some reading comprehension, please.

Ancient Drew said :
In the end though, I do think he wants to help.
That's where we would disagree: Saradomin is totally explicit in his benevolence, whereas Zaros' goodwill is only incidental to his ambition. Your answer is interesting, though; appreciate it.
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15-Mar-2017 22:21:39

Jaina Katarn

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And you've gotten me to crawl out of the woodwork and post on the forums!

Jaina has had a pretty simple motivation from the get-go: see the world, help those who need it, seek adventure for the thrill of discovering and doing great things. She started off as being very eager and excited to do so, as well as extremely proud and boastful about her accomplishments. Her sense of altruism and heroism got her to take pity on the plight of the Zarosian people and seek to help them, in turn fueling her interest in the Zarosian faith. With her interest in converting, Jaina had to realize that she must keep her faith secret; thus she grew much quieter and more cautious about what she said, getting quite good at mincing words and telling partial truths that wouldn't compromise her secrets. Having been a religious minority all her life--raised Guthixian, and picked on by the Saradominist majority in Lumbridge because of it--has also fueled her Zarosian fervor.

The emotional scars the Sixth Age has left on Jaina have made her grow to strongly resent Guthix. Her motivations largely remain the same, although she's become more focused on the interests of her faction than she was prior to converting--as well as with her romantic relationship with Azzanadra, and their children. She remains devoutly loyal to Zaros, and believes in his philosophy of self-control and thinking before acting--however, she does disagree with him on occasion, such as thinking he was blindly forgiving the Zamorakians of their misdeeds when calling the truce between the Mahjarrat. Jaina is also still quite patriotic and identifies strongly as Misthalanian and as a subject of King Roald, rather than feeling cultural ties to the empire; thus she did not share her fellow Zarosians' vision of creating a new empire even before Zaros said he had no wish to restore the empire. Her primary concerns in the long run are the well-being of her children and the freedom of the Zarosian people to live as they wish.
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15-Mar-2017 23:54:55 - Last edited on 16-Mar-2017 06:46:12 by Jaina Katarn

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Just looking for a way to get back home. That this world is too dangerous to keep existing is a secondary, but very related, motivation. Humility is self-destruction, pride is the destruction of all else. And He said, "
Let there be light.
"
And then there were none .

16-Mar-2017 00:56:19

Hazeel

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The general faction followers seem pretty cookie cutter as a whole...but then you do have your rare breed of Saradominist, like Ascertes, who is self serving. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

16-Mar-2017 01:00:25

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