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Robo Hobo

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Mariobary A said :
Funny fact I thought I would mention: I've just done While Guthix Sleeps and after the quest, in Idria's post quest dialogue there is a dialogue regarding second World Event: return of Armadyl and death of Bandos at his hands. Propably not many people here finished WGS after WE2, so I'll just leave it here. While I like the idea of revisiting dialogue to mention 6th Age, I fail to see any reason for this to happen to character that DIES in the 5th Age (haven't done RotM yet, but hard to not know such things after all this years). I mean, what's the point of putting in game dialogue that is 100% non-canon and contradicts the timeline in every way possible. It's one thing you can do some quest in obviously non-chronological order, but updating character that died before Gods' return with events that happened after that... Well, that's strange and may be confusing for people that aren't fully aware of chronology. And in a way it implies WGS happened AFTER WE2, which just hurts my eyes. I just hope that if someone does The World Wakes and lets Thaerisk die, then does While Guthix Slepps, he doesn't get dialogue like "hi Thaerisk, shame you died in the future" :)

That dialogue is still there then? I remember finding that on an alternate account of mine soon around the time of WE2 and Mod Jack heard of it and said it was a glitch of a sort. I'd have thought it'd be fixed by now. You can only fully appreciate a story when you experience it through the eyes of one of its characters.

15-Aug-2014 17:24:43

Mariobary A

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Yes, it's there. And I don't know how this is a glitch, because this is a direct follow up to original lines from that dialogue, so this was intentionally writen for Idria's dialogue post WGS.

Since our lord Armadyl has returned to Gielinor, and defended himself against the murderous intentions of Bandos, such unity is more important and more fitting than ever before!

Maybe it's not that much of a problem, since it's only post quest dialogue, but for me it kills the immersion and should be removed. If she mentions this things, why not say "who cares that Lucien took the stone, he is dead and Sliske has it anyway". The same thing. I accept messed chronology, because they have this "accesibility" vision for 6th age, but why mess this even further. And that's the problem with mentions of World Events, which are not quests and canonically happend for all players, regardless of their progress. There are many more characters that could use post quest dialogue.

15-Aug-2014 17:34:47 - Last edited on 15-Aug-2014 17:35:40 by Mariobary A

Robo Hobo

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If I remember right he said it was something about QA'rs going too-completionist when they were altering dialogue to armadylean NPC's. Maybe one of them just completely forgot that Idria dies in RotM when coming around to that Armadylean NPC.

Either way, I fully agree it should be removed, it's just completely illogical lol. You can only fully appreciate a story when you experience it through the eyes of one of its characters.

15-Aug-2014 17:47:55

Heidly Ees
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Concerning 6th Age quests, what is the necessary order for these quests? Of course the main 6th Age quests must occur in a certain order;

The World Wakes
-> Emissaries appearing
-> Battle of Lumbridge & Rebuildathon
Death of Chivalry
Missing Presumed Death
-> The Bird and the Beast
Fate of the Gods

The rest however have no definitive order; for the most part they've been placed in the order they came out.

The Tribute to Guthix has occurred twice now. Though I didn't participate this year, I'm assuming the dialogue was virtually identical to the previous? It could mark the anniversary of Guthix's death, meaning at least one year passed between Guthix's death and Zaros' return.

Bringing Home the Bacon and A Shadow Over Ashdale bear no reference to the 6th Age, and thus could occur in either Age. Given their low level, I'd recommend putting them somewhere in the Adventurer chapter. A Shadow Over Ashdale is the natural sequel to the tutorial, making it highly likely the adventurer would do that not long after defeating Morwenna the Cruel, while Bringing Home the Bacon could occur either before or after the player first visits Karamja.

Birthright of the Dwarves is a 6th Age quest, but could occur at any point after Guthix's death. One of a Kind must occur after Missing Presumed Death, and The Mighty Fall after Bandos' death.

Plague's End we've already discussed, and I now feel it would be best to occur BEFORE the Seren emissary set out for Port Sarim.

Edit; The Mysterious Ezekial? Is this perchance a reference to Supernatural, or did you grab the best rare name you could? :P I'm just a man; I'm not a hero.
Just a boy who had to sing this song.

23-Aug-2014 11:37:03 - Last edited on 23-Aug-2014 11:38:42 by Heidly Ees

Robo Hobo

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I've not watched Supernatural, well, I have for a couple episodes a long time ago (I liked them!) but the new name is actually the real lname for my character, Robo Hobo. I write a lot of stories, as you may remember that the pre-made timeline I made was actually for Ana Meken. Ezekial (Robo Hobo) exists in the same timeline in the way my backstory works, though, it gets real crazy, but everything interlocks.

In fact, Ezekial is actually referenced in the Diary of Ana Meken a few times, though not by the name Ezekial, rather his last name. :P

I've always had Ezekial's story in mind even since before I started writing the diary of Ana Meken, I just knew it was going to be a big one, which is why I hadn't started it until after.

I'm in the middle of writing the story that Ezekial plays the main character in, it takes place 'before' the events of the Diary of Ana Meken. Rather than a diary this time, it's actually in a novel-esque format, I have two chapters of it written so far already reaching 35,000+ words (for comparison, the diary is 18,000 words), and it's not even 10% of the way done. It's called "The Tome of all Tales", and mini-spoiler: It's the story where Ezekial gets the nickname 'Robo Hobo'. You can only fully appreciate a story when you experience it through the eyes of one of its characters.

23-Aug-2014 14:03:39

Robo Hobo

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Anyway, about the 6th age quest order:


I fully agree that A Shadow over Ashdale and Bringing Home the Bacon should be 5th age, and rather early. I was convinced by the argument that there's a lot of pig meat in the world from the beginning of the game, so Bhtb should be really early.

As for A Shadow over Ashdale, not only is it a part of the path system, which I think should also be taken into consideration if we're to rework the timeline, but it has a diary in it called the 'Smuggler's journal'.

The Smuggler's journal's final date is 22nd of Bennath. It starts on the 15th of Bennath. According to Gudrik the people have been missing on Ashdale for around a week by the time we start the quest, so I would imagine it's not too far after 22nd of Bennath. Within a week or just a tad over, but no more than that.

That makes it the 2nd earliest journal date to correlate with the adventurer doing quests in the game, or 1st earliest if the formula for the Throne of Miscellania/Royal Trouble is incorrect.

Royal Trouble, if the formula I posted takes place no sooner than Bennath 22nd, and Throne of Miscellania takes place between 12th and 16th of Bennath, so you can see how that correlates with A Shadow over Ashdale, and I feel the timeline should be updated accordingly.


But well, to put it flatly I've been rather distracted by a lot of things recently, which hinders my ability to upkeep my threads.

For other 6th age quests, we have a few things to go on... DoC taking place after BoL (Even though in-game it actually took place during), DoC taking place before MPD, and WE2 taking place after MPD, TMF obv being after WE2.

Though we also have Fot*, if Zaros's chat isn't updated to reflect The Mighty Fall, then Fot* would have taken place before the Mighty Fall.

Likewise, since One of a Kind is referenced in Fot* if you've done it, that could mean we'd place it before FotG.

I'm still in the mind to put Plague's end real early in the 6th age before Emissaries though. You can only fully appreciate a story when you experience it through the eyes of one of its characters.

23-Aug-2014 14:14:54

Cthris
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I believe mighty fall has to come after Fotg as Zaros talks about there not being a new leader yet.


I like the idea of plagues end being the next thing we do after TWW since its right in the area

23-Aug-2014 14:18:51

Robo Hobo

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Cthris said :
I believe mighty fall has to come after Fotg as Zaros talks about there not being a new leader yet.


I like the idea of plagues end being the next thing we do after TWW since its right in the area

Don't you mean before Fot* for that reason? :P

And yeah, I wonder if the Dwarf finale would be good then too, have all the 5th age finales that haven't come yet be close.

EDIT: Got confused, what you said is the same thing I said, just different way of saying it lol. Sorry about that. You can only fully appreciate a story when you experience it through the eyes of one of its characters.

23-Aug-2014 14:24:15 - Last edited on 23-Aug-2014 14:29:52 by Robo Hobo

Heidly Ees
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Today I created a new character because I was bored, and found that the timeline is now inaccurate due to the path system, which sends the adventurer through a handful of novice quests around the f2p world before you do anything else.

This starts naturally in Ashdale, and then moves immediately to Lumbridge to do The Blood Pact, up to Varrock for Demon Slayer (which has been slightly reworked AGAIN), then back to Burthorpe to do daily challenges and then A Shadow Over Ashdale. The system is so tight that unless you quit the tutorial you cannot do anything else, so you couldn't do say The Restless Ghost while you're in Lumbridge doing Blood Pact.

However it does give a clear linear progression for the start of the game. I haven't done A Shadow Over Ashdale on this new account yet, but it looks like the path system ends there, so after that I'll be in Taverley, to naturally do the quests that used to be in the Troll Warzone.

Note; these first quests almost always have Saradominist protagonist and Zamorakian antagonists. Despite one character on Ashdale mentioning that Saradomin was one of the three gods to help create the world (implying 5th Age knowledge) once I got to the mainland the dwarf (whose name I've already forgotten) started talking about how heroes are needed more than ever now that the gods are back. I'm just a man; I'm not a hero.
Just a boy who had to sing this song.

26-Aug-2014 20:46:01 - Last edited on 26-Aug-2014 20:49:29 by Heidly Ees

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