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Luseda

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@Baxtorian

I wouldn't be so sure about it being a Mahjarrat name.

Ok, so Mahjarrat do have their own language. Obviously, it won't be one that, say, hurts them every time it's spoken. Just like humans wouldn't speak a language that hurts our vocal chords every time we speak, we'd use something else. It can be reasonably assumed that the Mahjarrat language isn't harmful to Mahjarrat.

Ok, so what about humans? Their language wasn't made with humans in mind. Maybe it doesn't hurt Mahjarrat, but hurts humans. But think about it. None of the Mahjarrat, when fighting humans, have ever been seen to use their language as a weapon. I mean, it's simple. Doesn't take magical energy to talk. Unless you have human allies you don't want to hurt, there's no danger of collateral damage. It'd be more effective than magic. So why NOT use it?

There's just no reason that the Zamorakian Mahjarrat at the ritual wouldn't have killed the pesky humans just by reciting poetry in their native language. That would have given them more of an advantage.

I highly doubt the word is deadly just because it's in the Mahjarrat language.

EDIT: This doesn't mean it's an elder artifact, just to make it clear.

15-Mar-2013 23:03:33 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2013 23:06:30 by Luseda

Balustan

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@Joeeell Mod Osborne confirmed on reddit ama it is not one. Possibly it is Tumeken's heart as it translated to heart of the sun.

@Baxtorian If you read the dialogue Azza gives it could be a Mahjarrat language, or the name itself has power or the language is just dangerous and is not Mahjarrat. It is unclear. He simply says its true name.

I do appreciate anything you can get me on Quin's horn as I do want to list it as a possibility still.

@Tear Grants Not the sword of edicts the shattered sword. Both are different things.

@Luseda1 How cool would it be to see them using their language as a weapon though.
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15-Mar-2013 23:31:26 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2013 23:32:31 by Balustan

Sabbat
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I reckon Bandos' Holy Mace that he talks about could be one (or at least a very powerful weapon if not one of the 12).

In the Origins of Gielinor YouTube video we see a picture in which Saradomin is fighting what appears to be Bandos. Saradomin is wielding quite a hefty, golden mace that seems to be brimming with power. Perhaps the outcome of the battle could have been Bandos emerging victorious and claiming the mace we see as his own.

At the very least I believe that is Bandos' Holy Mace. Whether it is an Elder Artefact, however, remains to be seen.

20-Mar-2013 22:02:57

Baxtorian
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@Baxtorian

I wouldn't be so sure about it being a Mahjarrat name.

Ok, so Mahjarrat do have their own language. Obviously, it won't be one that, say, hurts them every time it's spoken. Just like humans wouldn't speak a language that hurts our vocal chords every time we speak, we'd use something else. It can be reasonably assumed that the Mahjarrat language isn't harmful to Mahjarrat.

Ok, so what about humans? Their language wasn't made with humans in mind. Maybe it doesn't hurt Mahjarrat, but hurts humans. But think about it. None of the Mahjarrat, when fighting humans, have ever been seen to use their language as a weapon. I mean, it's simple. Doesn't take magical energy to talk. Unless you have human allies you don't want to hurt, there's no danger of collateral damage. It'd be more effective than magic. So why NOT use it?

There's just no reason that the Zamorakian Mahjarrat at the ritual wouldn't have killed the pesky humans just by reciting poetry in their native language. That would have given them more of an advantage.

I highly doubt the word is deadly just because it's in the Mahjarrat language.

EDIT: This doesn't mean it's an elder artifact, just to make it clear.


I imagine what Azza meant is not that You die by hearing the name. Wouldn't it make more sense if it was just unpleasant to hear?

I can't think of an example right now, but I think most should know what I mean. He's trying to show it really wouldn't be nice to hear, by saying something so strong it would repel us from wanting to hear it.

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So where was it said they and the kiln are not one?

Everybody, including a certain OP, seemed to indicate it's wrong, it's false, they claim it false etc. In spite of Hok's examine.

Well, now there's a confirmation. The TokHaar are an artifact, whether You like it or not ;)

20-Mar-2013 22:49:48 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2013 22:53:26 by Baxtorian

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He's trying to show it really wouldn't be nice to hear, by saying something so strong it would repel us from wanting to hear it.


I can be something of a pottymouth myself at times, so if you ever need to decipher any Mahjarrat scripts, I'll certainly help. :P

20-Mar-2013 22:55:50

Luseda

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Ok, the idea of that being an obscenity of some kind is kind of hilarious.
Azzanadra's convinced it's such a bad word that it'll melt your ears out.
You do have a point, though.

Looking at the Temple at Senntisten dialogue, he does mention Mahjarrat knowing about the horn, its true name and how it works. Maybe the "Evil Creator God", who is said to be primal and terrible (Azzanadra's exact words for the horn's name), either made it (if he's an Elder God) or used it to ascend (if he's a younger one). If it is an elder artifact at all. It could be just be some powerful artifact from Freneskae.

Basically, Balustan summed it up. It could be some other dangerous language, or the name itself holding power.

20-Mar-2013 23:24:44 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2013 23:27:21 by Luseda

Baxtorian
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Ok, the idea of that being an obscenity of some kind is kind of hilarious.
Azzanadra's convinced it's such a bad word that it'll melt your ears out.
You do have a point, though.
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Mahjarrat Ritual.

*epic music*

Khazard(in whose fortress the Frostenhorn was): oh it's the human. He wants to fight me. Let's beat him.

*sings Frostenhorn's real name over and over again*

Khazard: GF human!

^I find that more hilarious he won't beat us like that if that name is so harmful.

Keep in mind I don't know the word "obscenity" and am too lazy to look it up. And I meant an exaggeration.

We still don't know either if it's an artefact, it's inconsistent anyway. If it comes from Freneskae, it's not. Guthix found the horn on Gielinor.

Balustan, I can recall a past of Yours how You denied the TokHaar their artefactness in another thread and said it's all the Kiln. Now we get a quote some artefacts are walking around in volcanoes. The Kiln doesn't walk, as far as I'm aware ;)

20-Mar-2013 23:42:58 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2013 23:45:31 by Baxtorian

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