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Hazeel

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Dan-i-el said :
I never joined Zaros for the moral alignment, in fact, that was an attractive draw to the faction, but to outright turn them against the player, when we returned him, free'd half his followers, agreed to his plans before, helped him more times than I can count, it just makes no sense, I'd argue even story-wise, for a Zarosian player, it just makes no sense for him to turncoat. We're his most important asset, or at the very least a vital Plan B in dealing with Elder Gods, so even as, say, a Zamorakian, we'd still be of vital importance to him.

You were of vital importance. Now you're not. His self interests are going against yours, which leaves you two choices:

1) Serve the lord you claim to be loyal to by standing out of the way and letting him destroy all life. Which you won't.

2) Try to stop him. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

27-Feb-2021 23:06:06

A Mighty

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think it's a bit of a stretch to assume Zaros wants to destroy all life. I just hope Jagex doesn't make him into your generic baddie like they did with Sliske and Kerapac. Give us gray characters, for once...

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28-Feb-2021 06:11:37

Hazeel

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Wants it? Probably not. But I wouldn't even be remotely surprised if he saw it as simply a necessary sacrifice. Which is likely why we must not be enemies. Even if Zaros plans to make a "true perfect utopia" world to replace Gielinor, it would come at the cost of becoming an Elder God...which necessitates Gielinor's destruction. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

28-Feb-2021 09:27:45

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2008

Marcin K

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Hazeel said :
Wants it? Probably not. But I wouldn't even be remotely surprised if he saw it as simply a necessary sacrifice. Which is likely why we must not be enemies. Even if Zaros plans to make a "true perfect utopia" world to replace Gielinor, it would come at the cost of becoming an Elder God...which necessitates Gielinor's destruction.

I would like to counter-argue here that the elder god 'eggs' when hatching would destroy the world. Zaros is already 'grown' so it COULD be very much feasible for him to just "eat" the contents of an elder god egg to "upgrade" no world destruction necessary! And no turncoat nonsense necessary either !

edit: Also I'd like to bring in a comment from another thread that merits consideration:
The Mather1 said :

[...]

So that leaves only one thing to blame; the Zaros in Azzanadra's head. Azzanadra seems to be forming a distorted perception of Zaros, believing him to be way more distrustful than he really is. What I believe happened is probably that Zaros told him not to ask anything of us that would contradict our role as World Guardian, and Azzanadra interpreting that as Zaros believing our role as World Guardian would put us at odds with his plan.
[...]

So it just MIGHT be Azzy getting a bit "senile" for lack of a better word?

28-Feb-2021 11:00:03 - Last edited on 28-Feb-2021 11:08:30 by Marcin K

Dan-i-el

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It's already confirmed simply from pre-established lore that for Zaros to ascend higher, he wouldn't need to destroy all life at all, the baby elder gods only do so because they're mere hatchlings that wake up ravenous.

Guthix for example, was able to slowly become possibly stronger than his other tier 2 counterparts simply by carefully siphoning the anima mundi slowly over the years.

We also know very well by now that simply killing a god allows you to absorb their power, all zaros has to do is find a means to 1. Prevent the hatching of the eggs. 2. Kill the existing elders, which, counter to past arguments, is why the WG is still absolutely vital to his plans and makes no sense to turn on us.
The WG's ability to resist and temporarily channel both normal and shadow anima makes us realistically the only viable thing that can even stand a chance against the elder gods (and possibly xau tak, if he's the 'one of something else' mentioned in fotg).

If this really is Zaros' doing and not just Azzanadra going bonkers after having a few thousand years in jaldroacht to seed madness in him, then he's just completely blown his only viable opportunity to become an Elder God.

And seriously fellas, stop loreplaying for 5 minutes and realise this is a trend in the game that has screwed over at least 2 major factions before, what makes you think jagex won't come for saradomin or zamorak next? They're running out of Gods faster than I run out of gp.

28-Feb-2021 11:49:06

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Lord Pyro I

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Actually Jas said it was completely impossible for Zaros to ascend further so I'd say any and all options are on the table at this point. As for killing a true full power Elder god, I'd say that's pretty unachievable and certainly well beyond the WG's capabilities.

As to all these threads asking why Zaros is rejecting the WG now?

Have any of you considered that he may in fact be the bad guy afterall? I feel like that's always been the risk of supporting him even from the very beginning. How many NPCs have warned us about him? Maybe, just maybe the god of manipulation... well I think you all know how that sentence ends. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"

#WarIsComing

28-Feb-2021 16:44:25

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2020

Dennorak

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Marcin K said :
Hazeel said :
Wants it? Probably not. But I wouldn't even be remotely surprised if he saw it as simply a necessary sacrifice. Which is likely why we must not be enemies. Even if Zaros plans to make a "true perfect utopia" world to replace Gielinor, it would come at the cost of becoming an Elder God...which necessitates Gielinor's destruction.

I would like to counter-argue here that the elder god 'eggs' when hatching would destroy the world. Zaros is already 'grown' so it COULD be very much feasible for him to just "eat" the contents of an elder god egg to "upgrade" no world destruction necessary! And no turncoat nonsense necessary either !

edit: Also I'd like to bring in a comment from another thread that merits consideration:
The Mather1 said :

[...]

So that leaves only one thing to blame; the Zaros in Azzanadra's head. Azzanadra seems to be forming a distorted perception of Zaros, believing him to be way more distrustful than he really is. What I believe happened is probably that Zaros told him not to ask anything of us that would contradict our role as World Guardian, and Azzanadra interpreting that as Zaros believing our role as World Guardian would put us at odds with his plan.
[...]

So it just MIGHT be Azzy getting a bit "senile" for lack of a better word?

I would very much doubt that. Zaros probably told Azzanadra to drop us because we are of no value to him.

Zaros is incredibly untrusting. He barely even talks to his followers who have been with him for thousands of years (Akthankos, Wahisietel), let alone us who have known him for maybe 7 years at this point.

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28-Feb-2021 18:08:07

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2008

Marcin K

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One important point I think it's crucial to make, that I think has been omitted here.(or two but connected):

1. The fact that we have been Sliske'd to some extent is not without consequence - the talking voices ? the sudden obedience of Gregorovic in the heart during the quest? something smells here and it is not laundry! I think it is VERY possible that we have been corrupted by Sliske and thus may be influenced beyond out will and thus may be forced to be enemies of Zarosian faction (or not fully trusted with most secret plans due to the influence that can be possibly seen by Zaros & Azzy ) untill such time as we free ourselves from this Sliskean influence (possibly by Codex manipulation by Zaros as Sliske was a MASTER OF SHADOW MAGIC)

2. In addition to 1 this may be a shadow play or in other words a "pH test" of our loyalty - the whole talk about being enemies a long-distance test of our loyalties. You fail - Zarosian help no more - You pass, You truly are a Zaros bud now and enjoy the party, drinks and purple sweets !

edit: P.S. 3. unlikely but maybe just MAYBE Azzy is a double agent in DEEP COVER - who knows what went on while he was in the pyramid?! maybe even he got brain-washed by Sliske via shadow magic ! (again unlikely but worth throwing it out there i think)

01-Mar-2021 09:13:02 - Last edited on 01-Mar-2021 09:14:35 by Marcin K

Raxxess

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I like that this quest fleshed out more of Zaros control aura and I think it shows well that he doesn't trust the world guardian because he can't use this.

I have yet to play it, but just a shout out to Saradomin who had been back stabbed every possible chance and compared to every other god he has the most opportunities to get back stabbed by the player and he is still friendly to the player.

Also does this mean that everything we did for the temple knights was actually for Zaros?

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29-Mar-2021 13:54:52

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2008

The Mather1

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Everything we did for the Temple Knights was really for the local communities. I don't think Zaros cared much about stopping Solus Dellagar or freeing Witchaven from the Sea Slugs, besides possibly whatever he may care for protecting civilians.

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29-Mar-2021 21:39:28

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