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Raxxess

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The Mather1 said :
Everything we did for the Temple Knights was really for the local communities. I don't think Zaros cared much about stopping Solus Dellagar or freeing Witchaven from the Sea Slugs, besides possibly whatever he may care for protecting civilians.

I think there are parts of the quests given to us by Sir Tiffy that were for the motives of helping local communities and doing the duties of a temple knight. But while it's speculation you could argue it was towards the build up of RotM which Zaros did benefit from. From the quest top brass was in on it and those close to Sir Vey and with Saradomin saying half of his knights left him that's pretty significant so it's hard to believe that some of what we did for the knights wasn't influenced in Zaros's favor
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29-Mar-2021 23:08:27

Raxxess

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The Mather1 said :
Everything we did for the Temple Knights was really for the local communities. I don't think Zaros cared much about stopping Solus Dellagar or freeing Witchaven from the Sea Slugs, besides possibly whatever he may care for protecting civilians.

I think there are parts of the quests given to us by Sir Tiffy that were for the motives of helping local communities and doing the duties of a temple knight. But while it's speculation you could argue it was towards the build up of RotM which Zaros did benefit from. From the quest top brass was in on it and those close to Sir Vey and with Saradomin saying half of his knights left him that's pretty significant so it's hard to believe that some of what we did for the knights wasn't influenced in Zaros's favor
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29-Mar-2021 23:08:30

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Given the Solus aided Lucien and Zemouregal when they attacked Varrock in 154 of the 5th age in an attempt to take the shield of Arrav, his elimination could be seen as an attempt to aid the Zarosian Mahjarrat by depriving the Zamorakian Mahjarrat of an ally.

And Mother Mallum could have been seen as a competitor to Zaros given that her mind-control slugs basically function as a stronger version of Zaros' aura with a higher upper range albeit taking far longer to get started. Her elimination could be seen as removing competition to Zaros' rule, or simply following Zaros' stated desire to have people chose to follow him of their own will.

30-Mar-2021 03:37:13

Marcin K
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Dan-i-el said :
It's not all for nothing.

I won't say anything due to potential spoilers, but it was at least enough for my friend to persuade me to return to the game.

I have a bit less time this week so i was only able to play shadow of monolith jus today but so far, just being set up against zaros and with saradomin from the get go - things look grim from my viewpoint ... :(
Take soran the emissary, it's been years since his introduction and yet now with Shadow of Monolith i could go literally to the battle wearing the god banner of ZAROS in my mainhand and yet could not even voice my opposition in a single line of dialogue to the pro-Sara, Pro-godless "gig"
I hope You can understand why my thoughts on the subject are still very much grim

29-May-2021 17:02:53 - Last edited on 29-May-2021 17:12:20 by Marcin K

Darelzel

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To me, Azzanadra's announcement that Zarosians can't trust the player and that they will be on opposing sides in their first post-Azzanadra quest encounter makes perfect sense.

At this point, Azzanadra has been with the Council of Seren, an assembly of NPCs the PC has encountered in many different quest lines. Most of them have never been in the same room together, and all follow different gods, philosophies, and beliefs. Azzanadra has had the opportunity to speak to Sir Amik of the White Knights, Brundt the chieftain of the Fremmenik, Osman from the desert, Ichi the leader of Cyclosus, and more. He's probably heard how you've taken one side or another in various conflicts, such as how you helped Zanik defeat Bandos in 'The Chosen Commander', and how you formed alliances with various factions not related to Zaros.

And of course there's the whole World Guardian thing.

With all that in mind, Azzanadra is smart enough to know that even if you've tried NOT to disappoint him in the past, he can't rely on you if the Zarosian agenda brings the Zarosians into conflict with the other factions. Your loyalties are too divided, and you can't be influenced by Zaros' loyalty aura because of your World Guardian status. You're just too much of a wild card.

There's only so many times you can disappoint Azzanadra before he decides it's not worth the risk. And even if you've picked the Zarosian option in previous quests several times, he still can't completely rely on you because the other factions you've allied with have beliefs and/or agendas which clash with the Zarosians'.

Finally, be wary of assuming this is a black and white good vs evil thing. Just about all the gods we've been introduced to have their faults, and so do their followers. In the Sixth Age, there's a lot more moral ambiguity and nuance.

29-May-2021 19:01:10

Marcin K
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taking into account the recent update on the 1st and Zaros leaving it does put an interesting spin on things. Zaros DID interrupt the battle, so it may have been too soon to plant him as "evil" he was merely busy and indifferent (at least that's my take on it) So as things are now they could go in either direction, but i hope that alliance with the Zarosians is not off the table completely

01-Jun-2021 13:28:55

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