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Dennorak
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Sepulchre said :
As a Zarosian, I feel like the writing has been on the wall about Zaros since 2016?

Concerning the "player choice" thing, you have to understand that splitting quests down two (or more) separate paths is very time-consuming for a developer like Jagex. Starting that "player choice" thing for quests was probably a bad idea, in retrospect, and it had to go if we ever wanted story progression. I don't much like it either, but that's the truth of it.

'Pro-Guthix propaganda'? We've had that for a while, I feel. Jagex has always wanted us to follow Guthix's final wish. People in the Sixth Age call us 'World Guardian', a title given to us by Guthix. We ARE Guthix's World Guardian.

One other thing, I guess, is that now we know how the Sliskean players felt for basically all of 2016?


Allowing us to side with Zaros and Sliske were probably just questionable design choices to begin with. You're basically left with either A) sticking with a questionable design choice or B) trying to change course...

I think Zaros is one of those guys where making him *good* was probably not a great move. With how secretive and manipulative he was supposed to be, I think this is probably how his character arc should have gone.

I am pretty sure the original intent behind Zaros was he would be the overarching enemy of the game, upon his initial release?
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25-Feb-2021 19:28:19

Sepulchre
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Dennorak said :
Sepulchre said :
As a Zarosian, I feel like the writing has been on the wall about Zaros since 2016?

Concerning the "player choice" thing, you have to understand that splitting quests down two (or more) separate paths is very time-consuming for a developer like Jagex. Starting that "player choice" thing for quests was probably a bad idea, in retrospect, and it had to go if we ever wanted story progression. I don't much like it either, but that's the truth of it.

'Pro-Guthix propaganda'? We've had that for a while, I feel. Jagex has always wanted us to follow Guthix's final wish. People in the Sixth Age call us 'World Guardian', a title given to us by Guthix. We ARE Guthix's World Guardian.

One other thing, I guess, is that now we know how the Sliskean players felt for basically all of 2016?


Allowing us to side with Zaros and Sliske were probably just questionable design choices to begin with. You're basically left with either A) sticking with a questionable design choice or B) trying to change course...

I think Zaros is one of those guys where making him *good* was probably not a great move. With how secretive and manipulative he was supposed to be, I think this is probably how his character arc should have gone.

I am pretty sure the original intent behind Zaros was he would be the overarching enemy of the game, upon his initial release?
Oh there's little doubt he was never originally meant to be good. Just look at things like A Soul's Bane , or at some of the things said during The Temple at Senntisten .

Letting us side with Sliske (and Zaros, to an extent) WAS a mistake, but they were high on player choice at the time. Zaros was at least pretending to be a good guy at first, though that stopped very abruptly in Children of Mah , so as I said, this has been a long time coming.
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25-Feb-2021 19:41:08

Androme

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I've been playing this game ever since the Devils Snare random event, but haven't played in many years now. Let me tell you about us early players perception of Zaros as he was starting to be introduced to the game slowly but surely.

From my perspective, the initial portrayal of Zaros was very much that of a mysterious ancient unknown and shadowy god. Definitely not a benelovent god, but either a malevolent/manipulative/oppressive god at worst, or a neutral/selfish/uncaring god at best. He was very "edgy".

This was a time when none of the gods were that fleshed out. Saradomin was essentially the abrahamitic god, Zamorak was an evil devil, and Guthix was the least fleshed out of the three, who principally stood for some hazy notion of "balance of good and evil".

Many players, as someone noted earlier in the thread, loved Zaros though. His edginess (many players were either children or teenagers at the time), along with the mysterious and dark aura around him, made him very attractive for a majority of the playerbase.

It was of course a very sound business decision by Jagex to introduce more and more Zarosian content, aswell as start fleshing out the story more and eventually introduce Zaros as a character, in the flesh, and allow us to converse with him/ally with him etc.

This was a mistake (in terms of story), and the reasons for which have already been explained in this thread. He was never initially envisioned as someone that the players should've been allowed to ally with.

RS is not worth playing/paying for nowadays imo, it's a shadow of its former self. But since I kinda grew up with it, I can't help but follow it from afar from time to time.

Kinda disappointed with the direction of the story. The gods are portrayed as high school teenagers, their demeanour is not reflective of thousands of years of existence. It's not surprising to find ourselves in this situation where after having finished shitting on Saradomin, Jagex now does the same to Zar

25-Feb-2021 20:58:34

Androme

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Dennorak said :
Gotta love the people who contribute to calling content shitty but also haven't actually played the content


I guess you're trying to talk shit to me but since you don't have any balls you didn't want to quote my post.

Since you're insinuating there's something wrong with disliking something you're not partaking in personally, would you care to elaborate on that?

25-Feb-2021 21:16:27

Dennorak
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Androme said :
Dennorak said :
Gotta love the people who contribute to calling content shitty but also haven't actually played the content


I guess you're trying to talk shit to me but since you don't have any balls you didn't want to quote my post.

Since you're insinuating there's something wrong with disliking something you're not partaking in personally, would you care to elaborate on that?


Is elaborating necessary? Felt like what I said was pretty clear, not really sure why you would require elaborating. Maybe play the quest instead of this absolutely cringeworthy tough internet guy persona.
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25-Feb-2021 23:34:17 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2021 23:34:42 by Dennorak

Androme

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Dennorak said :
Androme said :
Dennorak said :
Gotta love the people who contribute to calling content shitty but also haven't actually played the content


I guess you're trying to talk shit to me but since you don't have any balls you didn't want to quote my post.

Since you're insinuating there's something wrong with disliking something you're not partaking in personally, would you care to elaborate on that?


Is elaborating necessary? Felt like what I said was pretty clear, not really sure why you would require elaborating. Maybe play the quest instead of this absolutely cringeworthy tough internet guy persona.


I watched a full playthrough of the quest on Youtube. With all the dialogue. I believe I'm qualified to talk about the quest. And even if I hadn't watched a full playthrough of the quest on Youtube, I would still be qualified to talk about the quest, and RuneScape lore in general.

I don't understand what your problem is?

26-Feb-2021 00:22:38

Derack
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Bit of a shame the loreums arent as they used to be in activity.

This would have been one of a infernal party.
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27-Feb-2021 15:51:44

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Jagex shouldn't bother offering a choice of a faction, if they plan on killing off said faction, or turning them hostile, like they did with Bandos and Sliske.

Killing off Guthix is understandable, he had to die for Gods to return in the first place, but the others are just bad moves.

The Bandosians never really stood a chance, which is a bit unfair really, especially considering the Bandosians still had so much more to offer to the game, imagine all of the quests and miniquests and other content we could have had stemming from Bandos.

The Sliskeans got screwed over too, we very well could've had a Batman-Joker situation with him, maybe we still do but as of right now, he's considered to be a major threat to the WG, so offering a choice to join him at all makes zero sense, however the choice was made and should've been honoured.

The Armadylians should also show some sympathy here, if the tables had somehow been turned, Armadyl too may have been the one on the chopping block, which too, would have been a terrible loss to the game.

and poor old V. He didn't even survive through the first half of his first appearance. What even was the point in introducing him, just to insult his character like that? he seemed like a cool guy too.

I never joined Zaros for the moral alignment, in fact, that was an attractive draw to the faction, but to outright turn them against the player, when we returned him, free'd half his followers, agreed to his plans before, helped him more times than I can count, it just makes no sense, I'd argue even story-wise, for a Zarosian player, it just makes no sense for him to turncoat. We're his most important asset, or at the very least a vital Plan B in dealing with Elder Gods, so even as, say, a Zamorakian, we'd still be of vital importance to him.

Jagex really have just lost the plot with this one. I don't care if he's Zamorak 2.0. what I want is to join him. Don't offer the choice if it leads nowhere.

27-Feb-2021 17:40:46

Roland Lyons
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Speaking of alignment choosing, or lack thereof, is the WG still a member of the Temple/White Knights or was that done away with in an unseen quest?

Because I'd still like to be a part of the WKs personally but Temple Knights are dead to me. Most of them at least.
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27-Feb-2021 17:56:30 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2021 18:02:01 by Roland Lyons

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