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23-Feb-2021 13:28:18

Mar

2014

Roland Lyons

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It makes sense. Zaros has been going insane since he was refused his "birthright" by Jas during Endgame. Azzanadra will do whatever Zaros wants, and the plan no longer includes you.

I will protect Gielinor. Zaros has no love for its people.

-Saradomin, Polemarchos Autokrator

23-Feb-2021 14:34:04

Jennatix

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I think those were Zaros's words, not Azzanadra's. Not that Azzanadra didn't speak them, but it wasn't his decision to say them. He teleports right after saying it, giving no room for explanation, probably because it may have been hard for him to say it too.

But Azzanadra has always been one to never question his god's reasoning for anything, so if Zaros ever told him to cut ties with the World Guardian, then he would. He'd probably be confused, but comply nonetheless.

As for why Zaros does a turnabout on a Zarosian player like that?

Zaros seems to be becoming unhinged ever since Sliske's endgame. There's always probably been some reluctance to trust anyone ever since Zamorak betrayed him, but now he's just isolating even further. Even Wahisietel isn't being kept up to date on anything.

And even if the player has been a devout Zarosian, as the WG they're the only one outside of Zaros's control, and the only one that could possibly do some real harm to his plans if they ever did decide to betray him. If Zaros has any inkling of a thought that his plans will ever be a sticking point with the ideals that the player has indicated to have throughout the rest of their adventures (protecting Gielinor, namely) as the WG, then Zaros may have considered us not worth the risk of trusting.

If Zaros didn't make Azzanadra cut ties with the WG, then if that circumstance ever does happen where Zaros's plans become a point of contention with even a Zarosian WG, then that friendship with Azzanadra could have had a chance to turn even Azzanadra against him. Best to stop that before it has a chance of happening.

Or at least, that's the way I interpreted it. The real reason is probably because of not being able to have future quests play out too differently. Just like Sliskean players couldn't really help Sliske, and eventually had to kill him.

Hopefully before the end, Azzanadra will still realize Zaros is going crazy and help us stop him from destroying Gielinor.

23-Feb-2021 17:47:07 - Last edited on 23-Feb-2021 17:48:41 by Jennatix

Nov

2008

Marcin K

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I have just finished latest Azzadra's quest yesterday - I will say from the start I am in game devout Zarosian,
did it all, got Zaros banner from Soran,
made EVERY single choice pro-Zaros in EVERY possible quest, [even as I was so obviously duped during the quest for no viable reason I still did NOT alert Saradomin to the plot! ]

and yet....I am now ENEMY of the Zarosians!? because being "too influenced by Guthix and past masters"?! How does that make any kind of sense? It's akin to Your best 20-year long friend suddenly hating You for no reason whatsoever overnight.

WHY did the devs flush the almost decade of quest choices down the toilet without even giving an option to counter argue?

Why pro-Guthix propaganda is being forced upon all Zarosians for no reasons what so ever ......
I'm so very much disappointed right now, and Jagex Devs please please i BEG of You DON'T GO DOWN THIS ROAD !

It is still not too late, You can still spin this off as Azzanadra being too over-Zelaous, however if You continue down this path it WILL ruin the Lore for all Zarosians...forever

Sad day for all Zarosians.......

23-Feb-2021 19:42:58

May

2008

The Mather1

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I think what's happening here is Azzanadra sinking into paranoia and/or delusion. Remember Bilrach's comment about Azzanadra showing signs of insanity? That was never resolved.

Firstly, look at Zaros' behavior the last few times we talked to him; on Anachronia. He was friendly during Kerapac track, answering our mostly pointless questions and even helping us with the mushroom sample. And while he used us in the Raksha miniquest, he actually filled us in on the situation and showed that he more than trusts our capabilities.
While I'm pretty sure he doesn't consider us friends, or is even capable of such, it seems he at the very least considers us a trustworthy ally.
So it's very unlikely he told Azzanadra to declare war against us, or even to distrust us, and the reason why he never talked directly to us during Azzanadra's Quest was to obscure the fact that he was oblivious to the fact that we were manipulated.

Secondly, look at how Azzanadra talks about his relationship with us. He refers to you as a friend, and even mentions how much he has valued our companionship. He obviously didn't want to distrust us, and blames his allegiance to Zaros as why.

So that leaves only one thing to blame; the Zaros in Azzanadra's head. Azzanadra seems to be forming a distorted perception of Zaros, believing him to be way more distrustful than he really is. What I believe happened is probably that Zaros told him not to ask anything of us that would contradict our role as World Guardian, and Azzanadra interpreting that as Zaros believing our role as World Guardian would put us at odds with his plan.

Furthermore, in Azzanadra's Quest it is pointed out that it was Azzanadra's plan, not Zaros'. And we hear Azzanadra talk about how he doesn't actually have the full picture either, because Zaros doesn't tell him some things, and he won't ask because "it was not something [he] needed to know". Azzanadra was acting on his own accord, with lacking info.

"Abscondita est in Astra."

24-Feb-2021 23:47:35 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2021 23:50:23 by The Mather1

Dec

2020

Sepulchre

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Imagine constantly supporting a faction only to be forced to stand against the leader you follow at the climax of their story. Looks at Sliske faction.

Yeah, this is a bit of a mess from a development perspective, I agree. From a story perspective, Zaros becoming the villain is the correct path. A

World Guardian

must learn to find

Balance

in themselves.
Only then can they

Control

themselves and forge their own

Fate .

25-Feb-2021 17:38:54

Jul

2020

Dennorak

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I mean, that is basically Zaros...

Zaros is incredibly interested in furthering *his* goals, and he'll do whatever it takes to achieve them.

He is not interested in friendship, he is not interested in companionship. At best these things are useful tools to accomplish his ultimate goal, but he'd almost certainly be willing to drop them once its necessary for its plan.

Even followers of Zaros who have stayed loyal for thousands of years (Wahisietel, Akthankos) can barely even get a conversation with Zaros, let alone us who have known him for what, 7 years?

We are nothing to him. While we might be something resembling a friend to Azzanadra, and him breaking with Zaros is in theory possible, his entire life is built around faith to Zaros. It would take a lot for him to realize maybe blind faith in Zaros is not the way forward.

Zamorakian Lorehound, Flame of Chaos member, Bilrach enthusiast

25-Feb-2021 19:24:32

Jul

2013

Derack

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Choosing a faction and telling us we can change or decide the course of this storyline was a mistake from the very begining if they aren't gonna follow up with it.

They should have stated and made it clear from the start of the 6age that the World Guardian is gonna be or supposed to be neutral, or cares about Gielinor and it's people. With a few choices and all that.

"If you believe you can distance yourself from the harm you cause, you're deluding yourself. You're not some mindless tool. You're accountable. Your actions will catch up with you eventually." -Jedi Master Jun Seros; Swtor Bounty Hunter storyline.

27-Feb-2021 16:00:27

Hazeel

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Derack said :
Choosing a faction and telling us we can change or decide the course of this storyline was a mistake from the very begining if they aren't gonna follow up with it.

They should have stated and made it clear from the start of the 6age that the World Guardian is gonna be or supposed to be neutral, or cares about Gielinor and it's people. With a few choices and all that.

If they weren't committed to going through with this faction stuff, they probably could have avoided a lot of these problems if they just based player choices off of an ideological motivation instead of which God they simp for.

I.e. really basic template ideals like:

"I want to protect the people of Gielinor."

"I want to rule the world."

"I want to remove all the Gods."

"I want to become all powerful."

And simply siding with whatever faction is most in line with that ideal at the moment. You might have a "good" player aligning with Saradomin one day and then turning on him the next because Saradomin is doing something that isn't in line with the player's idea of justice or righteousness. Heck, maybe Saradomin actually rethinks some of his choices if a player with high affinity challenges him.

In hindsight, it seems silly for the World Guardian--regardless of their ideals--to be such a sheep for one faction leader or another. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

27-Feb-2021 23:17:40

A Mighty

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I'm no Zarosian, but my fear is that this will become another black-and-white, good vs. evil sort of story, with Zaros and/or Azzy as the villain. I'd much rather prefer a gray storyline, where Zaros has his method of dealing with the elders, Seren has hers, maybe another powerful being has theirs. Each with their own strengths and weaknesses, and we get to choose who to side with. Instead it seems we must go along with Seren, although I don't trust her to do what's right for Gielinor in the face of the elders, whom she is too attached to (Though this quest did see us go against her wishes a bit, hopefully we can choose in later storylines..).

To those cursed by war and pest, Come into the light of Armadyl and rest. This is the law of Armadyl.

28-Feb-2021 06:06:40

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