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Hazeel

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Seren mostly seems like the "not morally questionable, but ideologically naive and ridiculously stupid" choice. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

28-Feb-2021 09:25:18

Androme

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A gray storyline is not possible in an MMO. Simply because Jagex cannot give players wildly diverging storylines in quests; it would take way too much development time and resources than is available to them.

Allowing for "major choices" in quests from the beginning was a mistake. They were never really respected and never really affected anything much.

Zaros as an "antagonist" makes perfect sense.

28-Feb-2021 14:28:12 - Last edited on 28-Feb-2021 14:28:32 by Androme

Deltaslug

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I'd say part of it is the fact that the devs intentionally did not take into consideration of previous player choices simply because of the amount of dev time required and the variation players may have taken (someone who even 100% sided with Zarosians throughout all quests would be a rarity given the matrix you showed)

Some other things to consider:
- Zaros and Azzy are beings that have lived through ages. You are a mortal. Valued as you may be, your lifespan is finite in comparison to theirs.
- Azzy was one the defacto ruler of an empire, been trapped for thousands of years, and has since been living to work with his master once again. The only people who he truly trusts are his fellow Zarosians he knew back in the day, and the number still around is quite limited. Partially because even after their own imprisonments or ordeals, they remained faithful to Zaros.
That's a far greater measuring stick of loyalty than even your actions during the events of the modern era quests.
- The seriousness of what is going on may require them to take extreme actions.
The world is in danger.
Azzy and Zaros are both aware of what happens if the eggs hatch seeing as they both lived on Freneskae.
Zaros is all but convinced his plan is the only way to go.
We're kinda limited on 'options' on how to deal with the problem.
- The Knights have proven their own loyalty and are also expendable in what is to come.

The World Guardian is a useful piece on the board to have on their side. The World Guardian has skills that have proved to be convenient.
But in the end, when you have someone who is so focused on their goal, they will also do anything and everything to see that goal thru, and leave little else to chance.
But if you look at your history of adventures, you're a walking spanner in the works.

Finally ... there are 3 other possibilities:

28-Feb-2021 14:57:59 - Last edited on 28-Feb-2021 15:09:00 by Deltaslug

Deltaslug

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Possibility 1: Zaros may be forcing a separation such that the 'World Guardian' is still around.
Afterall, if he goes thru with his plan and it fails, and you were truly in on it from start to finish, the backlash from the other parties will mean that credibility of the World Guardian is lost and no one is going to help you moving forward.
Perhaps he has given you plausible deniability. Perhaps you can just say you were duped (given Zaros' nature, that wouldn't be a stretch). Perhaps you can admit you thought his plan would work ... until you heard how he planned to implement it ...
Whatever the justification, you are now independent from him.

Possibility 2: Zaros may know that he is going to fail. He still needs to try. He still needs to do 'something'. Heck, for all we know, he's gone full on martyr syndrome and planning to go out in a blaze of glory to spur everyone to push themselves, and maybe even get the Elder Gods to take notice that what they are planning to do is 'wrong' in a way that would be far more effective than Seren's plan of a cute little garden.

Possibility 3: Zaros' influence needs to end. He knows how his ability from Mah works. He's watching what Seren's is doing. With him gone, his followers will 'wake up' and probably be able to do what he could not.
And remember, he may be a being on the side of order, but much like after the deaths of Bandos and Tumeken, there wasn't some titanic shift (ie: Wars permanently ended, light going out) in the way people acted. His followers will go on, just free of his influence.

28-Feb-2021 14:58:06 - Last edited on 28-Feb-2021 15:08:47 by Deltaslug

Hazeel

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In hindsight, can you blame Zaros--or any God--for doubting our loyalty? I mean we've had our mouth firmly clamped around Saradomin's dick throughout the entire Fifth Age, but we've also helped Zaros a few times, which makes us enemies of both sides.

Might have helped a couple Zamorakians too, but even if you didn't you still turned around and helped Zamorak regain a God tier because why not? Sure, you might be a Saradominist player, but let's go help Zamorak potentially take the Stone of Jas. And then, of course, there's our huge affinity with Guthix.

Take out your own role playing for a second and try to look at the World Guardian objectively. To anyone else, they must look about as stable as Sliske and and loyal only to whatever whim they feel like entertaining today, regardless of what faction you, the player, are most loyal to. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

01-Mar-2021 04:23:58 - Last edited on 01-Mar-2021 04:34:38 by Hazeel

Lord Drakan
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Azzanadra's words shocked me too. I now officially consider Wahisietel a better friend amongst the Mahjarrat.

Not to mention I'm a loyal Temple Knight of Sarad-- err, Zaros? Come on, Azz. :(

As for the all the comments about Zaros losing his marbles: I hadn't noticed this. But then I've not been very up-to-date with the narrative over the past few years, as it's been rather monotonous. I want more Glouphrie quests. :( Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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01-Mar-2021 09:53:50

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