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mastercast3r
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I just realized that every time the bond goes up it goes up enough to cover the 10% plus a bit more. That means it is merchants buying the bonds when they are cheap and then dumping them at prices that people are being priced out of.

IS there anything that jagex can do to stop the bond merchants ruining the game?

19-Jul-2023 22:52:36

mastercast3r
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why would anyone need to buy 100 bonds? With 3k bonds being sold every day, 300 bonds would alter the prices significantly. Buying 300 bonds, then raising the price, then selling them a quarter million more than they need would enable them to buy more and control the prices more. As they raise the price, they have more control. They do not care if the game dies as long as they make money.

20-Jul-2023 02:28:48 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2023 02:51:19 by mastercast3r

Jeremy Cheng
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I don't see jagex changing something that affects their bottom line. I can see a maximum cap per day limiting how many bonds a player can buy, and when jagex accounts become official the cap affects all account so merchers have less influence over bond prices.

20-Jul-2023 02:55:54

Dilbert2001
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If there is anything Jagex wants to do with bonds, they want them to have higher turnovers for high prices. I have real world reasons for Jagex and maths to support them, but unfortunately the Fmods don't seem to entertain such academic discussion.

Anyway, I don't think it is hard to understand why online games want to give as much pay to win incentives to players who are willing to pay, in order to undercut competitions, even the underlying maths can't be shown. So I don't think Jagex is eager to limite their bond price or buy limits.

20-Jul-2023 16:35:14 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2023 16:35:59 by Dilbert2001

Tenebri
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mastercast3r said :


IS there anything that jagex can do to stop the bond merchants ruining the game?

how is it ruining the game?

thats a big stretch to say its ruining the game.

all items have a margin price. all of them
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mastercast3r
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Tenebri said :
how is it ruining the game?

all items have a margin price. all of them A large portion play the game by buying bonds off the ge. Can you really say that a game that has less than a million active accounts, i.e. people that have login to the game at least once in the last month, can afford to lose over 100k players? We need new players all the time and many use the bonds to start. IF you can not buy a bond in f2p in less than a year, they will not become members and likely will not remain.

At the same time, no one but players really high (i.e. 90+) in only a few skills can buy bonds any more. That means that soon only pker and bossers will be left to buy bonds and they do not need it, as they are the only ones that make that kind of money.

margins are things like yew logs varying 100 gp over months. Bonds have gone up 2 million in 2 months. That is not margins, that is manipulation of the market.

Everyone tells me that pking is dead and where it isnt, the vast majority of "pking" is killing pvmers, usually bots. I tried to argue that pkers and pvmers buy the bonds and that was why the price was going up, since they had so much money laying around, but I was told, no, they were more likely to sell the bonds.

Skiller would not cause the price to go up, because they can not afford them. Currently to buy bonds a skiller has to work at boring skills for 80 hours or so. THAT is not a game, but a job. People play this game to get away from real life, not replicate the bad parts of it. People will not be buying bonds once it is impossible to buy bonds with less than a full time job.

On may 29, bond were 6530744
On july 19, bonds were 8451623

Less than 2 months they went up 1920879 gp, an increase of 29+%. THAT is not margins, That is pure manipulation for profit. I would guess it is being done by real world traders. Yet jagex does not care.

20-Jul-2023 19:44:51 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2023 20:04:44 by mastercast3r

Tenebri
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woah a lot to go into there

where did you get 100k players will be lost? and why?

you also said you wont be able to buy a bond in a year in ftp. thats just 100% false.

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Money_making_guide/Free-to-play

making pie shells for instance which you can do asap after tutorial island is over 300k gp ph, wont take a year to make a bond.
+ many others.
lets say you play 1 hr a day, in a year youll need to make under 30k each day for a bond a year. so yeah your claim here doesnt make sense

err no you dont seem to know what margins are. them going up in price isnt that. a margin is inb price and ins sell price. that would then give you margin, aka an item inb at 100k and then ins at 95k, margin being 5k (5%)

being pker or pvm is a null point, people buy / sells bonds for different reasons. all of them valid. unsure your thought process here.

why do you think skillers cant afford them? there are many rich skillers out there. and there are many ways skillers can make money

lvl 3 skillers hiscores rank 4 lvl 3 is 200m all apart from combat, that requires billions of gp, all made at lvl 3.
being a skiller which for one is a limit people choose to do. does not mean you cant make money.

yes bonds have gone up. there are many reasons for that, you seem to be claiming its merchers. but have given 0 reason as to why you think that apart from, "item has gone up in price = merching / manipulation". which again is 100% false
also merching and manipulation are 2 entirely different things.

okay after all that, you didnt even answer my question.

how is it ruining the game?
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20-Jul-2023 21:44:00 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2023 21:52:51 by Tenebri

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