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mastercast3r
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Rouge Park said :
What is wrong with bond prices?

It's always high around big updates and it will hit 10m+ as players become wealthier in game. It never got above 7 mil before this year and the highs have never lasted more than a few days. IT jumped 2 million in 2 months. That is not due to an update. There is no update that would cause it to go that high.

A large portion of the players are skillers and they can not make that kind of money. Thanks to jagex deciding to put all resources on boss drops, only bossers can make money. The game is not intended to be play ONE WAY ONLY. But that is what jagex recently decided to do. That is why the game online population has gone from 500k to less than 100k.

Do not be surprised if in the coming months, jagex decides to remove half of the skills as they will no longer be necessary. Anything you could get from them will either be from bots, or they will decide to sell everything in a grand market place.

23-Jul-2023 14:59:09

mastercast3r
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Here is another bit of data for you. When bonds were 4 mil, jagex was selling 10 to 12 k a day. Now they sell 3k a day. When they were 4 mil, it was not uncommon to see 500k online. now they barely keep 100k.

Do you really think the proper price is 10 mil when that means more players will leave?

23-Jul-2023 18:53:46

Tenebri
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mastercast3r said :
Here is another bit of data for you. When bonds were 4 mil, jagex was selling 10 to 12 k a day. Now they sell 3k a day. When they were 4 mil, it was not uncommon to see 500k online. now they barely keep 100k.


can you provide an actual source for that claim?


500k online? now i know there is no source to back that up.

https://www.pcgamer.com/old-school-runescape-player-numbers/#:~:text=Runescape-,Old%20School%20Runescape%20had%20157%2C445%20concurrent,the%20weekend%2C%20breaking%20its%20record&text=The%202007%20build%20of%20the,weirdly%2C%20never%20been%20more%20popular.&text=Is%20it%20even%20nostalgia%20when%20you're%20more%20relevant%20than%20ever%3F


2020 157k was the record.


combined was 220k

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/jma7t4/combined_online_players_reached_223635_today/



if you want to try make believe something, atleast give honest data.

so yes can you provide source for those numbers. or did you make them up to try prove a point?
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24-Jul-2023 09:50:31 - Last edited on 24-Jul-2023 09:52:57 by Tenebri

mastercast3r
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Why do you keep pushing for things that do not matter. I do not have the data from the first years of old school, but it was not unknown to see it hit 500k. I do not care if you believe it or not, but the point is, jagex is losing members due to the fact they do not care about a large portion of their players.

The fact is, in times past, you never saw online numbers as low as 50k unless there was servers down. Now, it is common to see it. A large portion of that is bots in f2p.

No matter how you look at it, jagex is losing players and you are happy they are losing money.

24-Jul-2023 19:29:51

Tenebri
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mastercast3r said :
Why do you keep pushing for things that do not matter .

because making up numbers to push your bias, is not a good way to debate something.

thats why backing up claims, is incredibly important.


if you cant provide any source for the claims you make, then there is 0 reason to believe them

otherwise we can all just make up numbers. so thats why im pushing. because they do matter
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24-Jul-2023 20:01:08 - Last edited on 24-Jul-2023 20:09:49 by Tenebri

Tenebri
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mastercast3r said :
The point is even going by your link, we have lost 50k player online all the time.

The point of the thread is that the bonds are manipulating and we are losing players because o fit and you are happy about it.

woah now you have made another claim

you are now saying we are losing players directly because bonds have increased in price.

can you provide any source to back this up? because again you havent.

the time when we reached the max amount of players. was during covid lockdown. that was the reason it went that high, because people werent working. its now back down again because people are back at work. that is the more logical reason as to why this decrease has happened.

can you give anything, to show that the actual reason people have left is because of bond prices?

you may aswell say, we have lost those 50k players, because rapier price has gone down. it was over 200m september 2022, its now its now 56m. thats why people have left.
^^ this claim has just as much validity as your claim that bond prices are the reason. (even though the rise in population in 2020 the time of highest number of players at once, was due to lockdown)

just because 1 graph goes player base has gone down by x amount. and another graph has something else that goes up. doesnt mean there is any coalition between them, but when you make that claim, you need more than just saying it is.

all you are doing here, is you claim something. get asked to prove that claim. you cant. so you move onto something else. repeat.

its getting tiring just provide something that can be actually used to make your claims have some kind of truth to them.

anything
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24-Jul-2023 21:33:24 - Last edited on 24-Jul-2023 21:39:05 by Tenebri

mastercast3r
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IF it quacks like a duck, walks like to a duck, and sounds like a duck, its not likely to be an Easter bunny.

The loss of players is in indirect proportion to the cost of the bonds. I would not say everyone that left did so because of the rise in prices, but there is a lot of people that complained, then never posted again. I myself used to have 7 accounts in members but as the prices went up, I stopped playing them. Many others have said the same thing.

It does not manner if you believe it or not, but it is a fact.

24-Jul-2023 23:58:47

Tenebri
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mastercast3r said :
IF it quacks like a duck, walks like to a duck, and sounds like a duck, its not likely to be an Easter bunny.


no because everything you are saying has no coaliation

so not this is not a duck, it is not quacking.


mastercast3r said :


The loss of players is in indirect proportion to the cost of the bonds. I would not say everyone that left did so because of the rise in prices,
but there is a lot of people that complained
, then never posted again. I myself used to have 7 accounts in members but as the prices went up, I stopped playing them. Many others have said the same thing.



ohh i highlighted someting you can show us.
please provide those threads where people complained.

mastercast3r said :

It does not manner if you believe it or not, but it is a fact.

yes this is the only thing you have said that is correct. just because you believe it or not doesnt mean its true.

what i am asking you here. is to provide more information to the claim. all you are doing is saying something you believe but not providing anything, except repeat "if it sounds like a duck...." that isnt helpful...

how did you get to you conclusion looking at these numbers? because we are looking at the same ones but have got to different conclusion.

i keep posting links etc to show you otherwise. you keep posting a rhyme. which one is going to hold up for being closer to the truth? / being fact?
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25-Jul-2023 20:36:03 - Last edited on 25-Jul-2023 20:36:13 by Tenebri

Dilbert2001
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Official OSRS peak concurrent players according to Jagex press release were over 170,000:

"Old School RuneScape achieved its highest ever concurrent player number of more than 170,000"


https://www.jagex.com/en-GB/news/468Bz0/jagex-announces-record-revenues-of-120million

It is neither 500k nor 157k.

Concurrent players can mean different things to the real $$$ financial data of game developer like Jagex. It hardly reflects actual financial conditions of Jagex. Bond price is what actual players want to pay to get membership. A lot of the concurrent players may be paying real money for membership while some may not even bother to get membership with OSRS gp. That said, even when OSRS has lost considerably number of concurrent players since 2020, we have no way to tell whether the actual number of free players who desire to get membership with OSRS gp is more, less or no change.

25-Jul-2023 21:54:57

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