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SageTheWise
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I'm not understanding the logic of this post.

I purchased a bond for 7.8 mil a few days ago because I intend on using it for my brother's account.

Just place an order that is within reason and wait for it to fill.

If a merchant can buy for the low price, so can you.

20-Jul-2023 22:41:54

mastercast3r
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SageTheWise said :
I'm not understanding the logic of this post.

I purchased a bond for 7.8 mil a few days ago because I intend on using it for my brother's account.

Just place an order that is within reason and wait for it to fill.

If a merchant can buy for the low price, so can you.
Due to the fact they buy up all the cheap bonds, you can not buy them cheap. I have had an order for a bond for 7.5k for over a month and it has not bought yet.

The reality is, it is impossible for me to make 7.8k on this account. It requires that you
WORK
more than 60 hours and that is not a game, but a job, so its not fun.

Tenebri said :
simple and 100% correct
ONLY if you want to work the entire time doing one of three or so skills. They do not sell at that price any more. Every time the price goes up it does not come down as far. You can not possible make that money any other manner with anything other than combat.

20-Jul-2023 23:18:35 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2023 23:22:18 by mastercast3r

mastercast3r
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Tenebri said :
where did you get 100k players will be lost? and why?
The majority of players that buy bonds do it for the membership. Multiply the number of bonds by 14 days and you get over 100k.

Tenebri said :
thats just 100% false.
The only means of making money in f2p require you to be either a combat player or a very high level skiller. Most of the players there are either combat only. bots or low levels.

Tenebri said :
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Money_making_guide/Free-to-play
That is based on unrealistic expectations. I have tried all of those thing and only get about half of what they say is normal.

Tenebri said :
err no you dont seem to know what margins are.
I do know what they mean, but I can tell you that bonds do not sell for less than the lowest they go, because they immediately buy them up and it goes skyrocketing again. I have tried to buy them even 3% lower and not gotten anything. The merchants know when they can buy them up in huge amounts and cause the prices to go up rapidly. Since no one knows what the price they plan on buying at, you would have to be extremely lucky to buy one.

Tenebri said :
why do you think skillers cant afford them?
Because the only way to get those skills is to be a member and the only way to get that kind of money is to be a high level member.

Tenebri said :
all made at lvl 3.
And just about all of them are bots. REAL players do not play 100 hours a week.

Tenebri said :
being a skiller which for one is a limit people choose to do.
The only limit a skiller has is that he is not a hard core pker or combat only bosser.

20-Jul-2023 23:41:02

Tenebri
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mastercast3r said :


Tenebri said :
simple and 100% correct
ONLY if you want to work the entire time doing one of three or so skills. They do not sell at that price any more. Every time the price goes up it does not come down as far. You can not possible make that money any other manner with anything other than combat.




prices today range from 7900k - 8.9m

work doing what skills? i dont know what you are talking about this.

it sure does come down. as you can see by this graph, it constantly goes up and down again. its why its not a straight line but up and down!!!! magic how graphs that are publicly available give information.

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20-Jul-2023 23:41:42

Tenebri
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mastercast3r said :

The majority of players that buy bonds do it for the membership. Multiply the number of bonds by 14 days and you get over 100k.

again you have somehow got to 100k with out any other data. i ask again how did you get to 100k? where are the other numbers to get to this? and what source did you use to get them?

mastercast3r said :

The only means of making money in f2p require you to be either a combat player or a very high level skiller. Most of the players there are either combat only. bots or low levels.

100% false. i literally posted a link on ftp money makers.

mastercast3r said :

That is based on unrealistic expectations. I have tried all of those thing and only get about half of what they say is normal.

that sounds like an issue with you not the data.

mastercast3r said :

I do know what they mean, but I can tell you that bonds do not sell for less than the lowest they go, because they immediately buy them up and it goes skyrocketing again. I have tried to buy them even 3% lower and not gotten anything. The merchants know when they can buy them up in huge amounts and cause the prices to go up rapidly. Since no one knows what the price they plan on buying at, you would have to be extremely lucky to buy one.

nope if mercher can get them so can you, ge works that way.

mastercast3r said :

Because the only way to get those skills is to be a member and the only way to get that kind of money is to be a high level member.

well yeah high skills = high level, but you seem to be ignoring the point made
they use to be lvl 3 low lvl skiller, they made all the money needed to get billions of xp as a lvl 3 skiller. so you saying skillers cant make gp, is proven wrong here.
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20-Jul-2023 23:49:42

Tenebri
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mastercast3r said :

And just about all of them are bots. REAL players do not play 100 hours a week.

why do you think they are playing 100 hours a week? they just know how to play efficiently. this game has been out for many years.

you have a lot of accusations but never seem to back it up

im literally posting actual evidence of prices etc. and you just outright ignore it.

mastercast3r said :

The only limit a skiller has is that he is not a hard core pker or combat only bosser.

more than that
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20-Jul-2023 23:51:13 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2023 23:52:59 by Tenebri

mastercast3r
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Tenebri said :
yes bonds have gone up.
There is a saying, IF it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, walks like a duck, its not likely to be an easter bunny.

The bonds go up just enough to pay for the tax and the bond with a small profit, then fall again. That looks like market manipulation, it sounds like market manipulation, and it smells like market manipulation. What other cause is there? The skill? We have known about it for months, so why did it suddenly skyrocket?
A quest? No quest has ever done that before.
Random chance? No way.

Tenebri said :
okay after all that, you didnt even answer my question.
I did, you just choose to ignore it.

Tenebri said :
how is it ruining the game?
A large amount of money comes from the sell of the bonds. No new player can start fp2 and buy a bond in less than a year. I tried. The only way this account has gotten this far is from getting donations from other accounts I own.

To give you an example, I had 3 accounts fishing, this one and two able to fish anglerfish, for 3 weeks and barely was able to buy bonds. Do you have any idea how boring it is to fish for 3 weeks straight? Now I have 3 bonds on order for 7.75 mil and nothing is buying, even the one I put up 2 weeks ago. Skillers can not afford that, so if they can not afford to buy, about 100k will stop buying bonds. No one wants to spend hundreds of hours to buy a bond that only gives them time to buy another bond.

So what happens when you have no one left in the game that buys bonds except the merchants? What do you think will happen to the game when a huge chuck of it walks away for good.

I had one of these merchants tell me that I should keep buying bonds until it was 15 mil because it was still a good deal.

20-Jul-2023 23:51:27 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2023 23:53:20 by mastercast3r

Tenebri
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mastercast3r said :

There is a saying, IF it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, walks like a duck, its not likely to be an easter bunny.

The bonds go up just enough to pay for the tax and the bond with a small profit, then fall again. That looks like market manipulation, it sounds like market manipulation, and it smells like market manipulation. What other cause is there? The skill? We have known about it for months, so why did it suddenly skyrocket?
A quest? No quest has ever done that before.
Random chance? No way.


and you have now misquoted me.
just because they have gone up. doesnt mean is manipulation or merchers...

you have made this claim and are not backing it up. its all accusations with no evidence.

so yes i agree with sounds like a duck etc saying. but right now because its gone up. does not mean its merchers / manipulators...



mastercast3r said :

I did, you just choose to ignore it.


yes my many posts are ignoring it. my posts that are literally posting evidence, of actual numbers
of actual guides on to make money
of the maths. is ignoring it.... yes 100% smh

mastercast3r said :

To give you an example, I had 3 accounts fishing, this one and two able to fish anglerfish, for 3 weeks and barely was able to buy bonds. Do you have any idea how boring it is to fish for 3 weeks straight? Now I have 3 bonds on order for 7.75 mil and nothing is buying, even the one I put up 2 weeks ago. Skillers can not afford that, so if they can not afford to buy, about 100k will stop buying bonds. No one wants to spend hundreds of hours to buy a bond that only gives them time to buy another bond.


https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Money_making_guide/Catching_anglerfish

anglerfish is 220k gp hour.

thats 41 hours to buy a bond at its highest prices.


if you know your game time per week dont do something that doesnt make enough
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20-Jul-2023 23:58:04

mastercast3r
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Tenebri said :
prices today range from 7900k - 8.9m
Even your graph says it does not sell below 8m.

Tenebri said :
work doing what skills? i dont know what you are talking about this.
fishing can make money but it takes a long time. WC can even make enough money to cover a bond in 2 weeks. Fletching will if you are high enough level in 95 hours.

Tenebri said :
it sure does come down.
yes, it does up, they sell and it goes down and they buy, but not as far as it was before. Every time it goes up it hits a new record and ever time it falls, the bottom is higher.

THAT is manipulation.

20-Jul-2023 23:59:50

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