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Turksta said :
Lol what? I question your logic sometimes no offence. If the item was rereleased then there'd be no need to make 10 fury outfits either. The whole reason 10 fury outfits will be required to be made is if the game revolved around your needs
10 fury outfits won't be required if the alternate version(s) is/are designed properly. To give you an example, you probably haven't seen it, but a while back in OSRS, Jagex presented its in-game design for the raids 2 justiciar armor. A bit later, the community started making its own designs for the armor, and came up with many contenders, and as they kept being polled against one another, almost each time a new option was presented, it became more liked than the previous ones. By the end, the newer designs had the overwhelming support over the original, both of those who liked the original design, and those who didn't.

Now, since the fury outfit was designed by Jagex, imagine the possibilities if they let the players have their say as well by having them design the alternate versions. They could then pick the best one, or 2-3 if necessary, but there definitely would be no need to make as many as 10 different versions. Because the thing is, you can't know what is not known, so the people who would want the original fury outfit now, could be converted to wanting the alternate version(s) instead. > )

Turksta said :
If you think i'm only talking about a new "colour" then you must be narrow minded.
Then why have you only talked about new colors? In the quote I provided, you talked about unlocking a new color, and in the other thread in TH subforum, you also talked about different colors only. I can't put words to your mouth, you have to do it yourself. > )
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17-May-2018 14:42:10

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10 fury outfits won't be required if the alternate version(s) is/are designed properly. To give you an example, you probably haven't seen it, but a while back in OSRS, Jagex presented its in-game design for the raids 2 justiciar armor. A bit later, the community started making its own designs for the armor, and came up with many contenders, and as they kept being polled against one another, almost each time a new option was presented, it became more liked than the previous ones. By the end, the newer designs had the overwhelming support over the original, both of those who liked the original design, and those who didn't.

Now, since the fury outfit was designed by Jagex, imagine the possibilities if they let the players have their say as well by having them design the alternate versions. They could then pick the best one, or 2-3 if necessary, but there definitely would be no need to make as many as 10 different versions. Because the thing is, you can't know what is not known, so the people who would want the original fury outfit now, could be converted to wanting the alternate version(s) instead. > )

Soo what happens once that particular version gets released? Newer players will soon miss out on that and want that one too. The "if you miss it, wait for the newer one" idea is terrible as it clutters the game up and is unnecessary.

"Then why have you only talked about new colors? In the quote I provided, you talked about unlocking a new color, and in the other thread in TH subforum, you also talked about different colors only. I can't put words to your mouth, you have to do it yourself. > )"

It's a form of symbolism. When i say "new colours" it also applies the idea of newer designs/forms and pretty much a new clone.

17-May-2018 15:26:05

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Turksta said :
Soo what happens once that particular version gets released? Newer players will soon miss out on that and want that one too. The "if you miss it, wait for the newer one" idea is terrible as it clutters the game up and is unnecessary.
Pardon, where did I say that the alternate version(s) would be discontinued as well? I don't remember saying or implying that. In fact, the point with the alternate version(s) is kinda the opposite; it could be made clear from the start that they'll always be available/seasonally available. > )

Don't forget Turksta: we can change the rules for new things, as none exist for them yet, but old ones must be honored as they were set.

Turksta said :
It's a form of symbolism. When i say "new colours" it also applies the idea of newer designs/forms and pretty much a new clone.
See, this is why you want to open your mouth and explain what you hadn't explained before; I'm not a mind reader, but I can read this text. Now it's cleared up. > )
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17-May-2018 16:02:55

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"Pardon, where did I say that the alternate version(s) would be discontinued as well?"
So in other words you'd want it to be inconsistent, no thanks. Either have all versions discontinued or recontinued. Can't have favoritism.

"Don't forget Turksta: we can change the rules for new things, as none exist for them yet, but old ones must be honored as they were set."
Don't forget Blackwing: Jagex can change their rules to their own liking, And they have stated that limited does not mean 1 time only. So as far as i'm concerned they only "lied" about the shadow drake - nothing more.

18-May-2018 06:17:55

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Turksta said :
So in other words you'd want it to be inconsistent, no thanks. Either have all versions discontinued or recontinued. Can't have favoritism.
...what? You really want things to be consistent for the sake of being consistent?

Or is it actually that you want to refuse the compromises no matter what, and this is the best reason you have left? Because I can understand consistency to a degree (when it actually does good things), but going this far seems so absurd, because what good would being consistent achieve here?

Turksta said :
Jagex can change their rules to their own liking, And they have stated that limited does not mean 1 time only. So as far as i'm concerned they only "lied" about the shadow drake - nothing more.
You shouldn't allow a company to change their rules however they please, or you'll find yourself exploited by that fact sooner or later, too. And please, don't limit yourself to just the word "limited"; they have used plenty of other words too, such as "last chance" with certain super-rares on TH. Lastly, Jagex never bothers stating that on the promo news posts; the actual statement is buried somewhere where vast majority of players don't know to look for, so they go by what is said on the news posts. And that is one way how Jagex deceives its customers, which you shouldn't be tolerating if you cared about consumer rights. > )
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18-May-2018 08:31:11

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"...what? You really want things to be consistent for the sake of being consistent?"

It goes both ways really. Being consistent is what the game should strive to be. Why would you want things to be inconsistent? It makes the game look like a mess and unorganised. Would you also support making newer holiday rewards not discontinued too?

"You shouldn't allow a company to change their rules however they please, or you'll find yourself exploited by that fact sooner or later, too."

Yes, because i have any control over what Jagex does... For the record, i didn't want these mtx outfit events to happen at all.. I'd rather they be put on solomons in the first place. And if it means fixing things up i'd rather the furies agent make a rerelease than Jagex be like "ok yea we completely messed up, so here's a newer version of what should have be". So what more is there left to do? I already barely participate in these events, except if im bothered soo clearly peoples wallets votes.

"Or is it actually that you want to refuse the compromises no matter what, and this is the best reason you have left? Because I can understand consistency to a degree (when it actually does good things), but going this far seems so absurd, because what good would being consistent achieve here?"

Ugh what good would not being consistent achieve here? Not really. I'm just surprised you'd rather things not be consistent. I mean you'd think a player such as yourself would want things to be consistent. I also fail to see how anything is "absurd". Furthermore, they've already rereleased one of the knight outfits for the mental awareness promo - and hell is not breaking all loose - meaning it has no effect to the game and isn't so "absurd".

18-May-2018 15:11:16

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Ghazgkull said :
Jeremy Cheng said :
I'd rather the new "agent" event be Agent of Seren. And complete the set by adding an agent event for all the gwd2 factions.

I like this idea. We don't need the fury outfit back we need 3 new outfits to make a set. :D Ughh.. We don't need any new outfits. We need Jagex to be consistent again with actual game updates.

18-May-2018 15:13:03

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Turksta said :
It goes both ways really. Being consistent is what the game should strive to be. Why would you want things to be inconsistent? It makes the game look like a mess and unorganised. Would you also support making newer holiday rewards not discontinued too?
Consistency is ideal but not mandatory IMO as a compromise.

And for the last question, like said:
Sharp-shin said :
Don't forget Turksta: we can change the rules for new things, as none exist for them yet, but old ones must be honored as they were set.

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Turksta said :
Yes, because i have any control over what Jagex does... For the record, i didn't want these mtx outfit events to happen at all.. I'd rather they be put on solomons in the first place. And if it means fixing things up i'd rather the furies agent make a rerelease than Jagex be like "ok yea we completely messed up, so here's a newer version of what should have be". So what more is there left to do? I already barely participate in these events, except if im bothered soo clearly peoples wallets votes.
You know, I'm curious about that first part; are you also like that in real life when it comes to elections? Along the lines of "my vote doesn't even matter, as if I had any control to change anything"? Because yeah, if you just give up and don't do a damn, then you really don't matter, but if everyone who thought like this actually stood up and tried, the combined effort could well matter. So don't belittle yourself, because you never know the potential. > )

Although, you kinda chose poorly then, buying premier club this year, because now that is probably giving Jagex the opposite image about you than what you say here.

Turksta said :
I'm just surprised you'd rather things not be consistent.
Sometimes you gotta compromise with people, just how life goes. > )
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18-May-2018 15:33:43

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