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Sharp-shin

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Turksta said :
X alternative will only satisfy players who don't really care about holiday items and only want a particular item because they've missed out on it. Y and Z alternatives etc would 'satisfy' more people. but at the end of the day as long as players don't have the original, the original will be desired. So ultimately, as long as players want the originals, they aren't truly satisfied with the supposedly newer versions. And this thread (along with players asking for older holiday items) is evidence that the newer event rewards aren't satisfying as the old event rewards.
As long as there are people asking for originals for the looks, there's still work for Jagex to do, which is to come up with something new that they'd like more. Because again, Jagex not having done a great job doesn't mean it's impossible to satisfy those people with new items, it just means that the "solution" hasn't yet been found.

When talking about those who desire the originals for the sake of them being the original, those are people who either desire for the rarity or for the fact that they want something they cannot have -- neither of which would be satisfied with a rerelease of the originals. The first would be because their sought-after rarity would be devalued, and the second would be because they got what they couldn't have, so it would no longer be what they cannot have.


Turksta said :
>.. There are also people who just want a snow globe because they just want to be able to throw snowballs at others at will or be able to fight back. It's called wanting to have fun
Since you bring up the snow globe specifically: if people wanted to throw snowballs at each other, why would it require rereleasing the snow globe? Jagex could make the ability to throw snowballs by, you know, picking up the snow from the ground? Snow globe doesn't produce snow exclusively.

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31-Aug-2019 17:02:52

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Turksta said :
Some ppl made newer accounts like ironman accounts. It'd be nice and convenient for them to be able to enjoy older items on newer accounts. If u buy a new house, would u buy everything all over again? or would u rather move the furniture and items from the older house to the newer house. What about a phone. when u upgrade ur phone ud also like to transfer the old cotnacts and music and what not onto the new phone
Why are you using such rushed comparisons to real life? You can't transfer almost anything to an ironman account anyway (bonds are pretty much the only items I can think of), so this whole "transferring stuff irl" comparison makes no sense at all. Even to a new regular account you can't transfer skill levels, quest completions etc, so it doesn't make sense comparing it like that either.

Anyway, focusing on Runescape: again, yes, it's an unfortunate inconvenience if people make newer accounts, but an outright rerelease would be irresponsible as a response. Untradeable discontinued holiday items have their integrity based around the fact that the accounts who own them earned by completing the respective holiday event during that specific time; if others got access to those same items, that integrity (or historical value) which some people desire would be lost. Since those items are optional to get for those who don't have them, it's one of those cases where you just gotta understand that you can't always get everything you want.
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31-Aug-2019 17:03:00

Turksta

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"As long as there are people asking for originals for the looks, there's still work for Jagex to do, which is to come up with something new that they'd like more. ... it just means that the "solution" hasn't yet been found."

We're just going in circles here. but yes while Jagex does need to come up with something new that players would like more, i'd like to reinforce the fact that players will still always desire older items for the sake of wanting it for their collection - nothing rarity related. The history of runescape is proof of this. Jagex releases cool squirrel/feline/wolf ears yet people still desire the more odd out of character looking bunny ears.


"When talking about those who desire the originals for the sake of them being the original, those are people who either desire for the rarity or for the fact that they want something they cannot have -- neither of which would be satisfied with a rerelease of the originals . The first would be because their sought-after rarity would be devalued, and the second would be because they got what they couldn't have, so it would no longer be what they cannot have."

I'm going to have to disagree here. If i always wanted to get my hands on a golden godsword. and after a rerelease i obtain it. The rarity is decreased and i now have something which i previously couldn't obtain. But i'm still happy. Not everyone cares about an items rarity. The same applies to holiday items. Many people missed out on the snow globe originally and look how happy they (as well as newer players) were to be able to reobtain it. You can't just make a big statement like that claiming everyone only desired it for its rarity status. Because that's not the case.

31-Aug-2019 18:23:55

Turksta

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"Since you bring up the snow globe specifically: if people wanted to throw snowballs at each other, why would it require rereleasing the snow globe? Jagex could make the ability to throw snowballs by, you know, picking up the snow from the ground? Snow globe doesn't produce snow exclusively ."

The only way to throw snowballs right now is to own a snow globe and shake it. If you don't have a snow globe all your snowballs have melted away. Also seeing as the snowglobes only purpose is to make snowballs, if Jagex allowed snowballs to be obtained by more means that would render the snow globe useless - which stands all against your values relating to holiday items. The snow globe does produce snowballs exclusively atm.


"Why are you using such rushed comparisons to real life? You can't transfer almost anything to an ironman account anyway (bonds are pretty much the only items I can think of), so this whole "transferring stuff irl" comparison makes no sense at all. Even to a new regular account you can't transfer skill levels, quest completions etc, so it doesn't make sense comparing it like that either."

I am making a link to the real world to illustrate that when people move on from one place to another (or one acc to another) they want to enjoy their items in their new homes. And you can't compare transferring holiday items to skills/quests. You can't transfer xp or quest completion to an ironman account but at least they are given the option to redo the quest and regain their stats. However obtaining holiday items pre-ironman mode isn't. Most of the cool holiday items are simply inaccessible for ironman players because the mode didn't exist when the event was around.

31-Aug-2019 18:33:42

Kitana 007

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Pikachu78 said :
You just dont want players to have any fun with the items as they were meant for ur like the rest of the greedy and wealthy playerswho doesnt want to share their toys the poll passed stop arguing it and let them rerelease the items this is the reason thus happened because of greedy and super rich players not wanting to give these unobtainable items to even give others a chance we arnt even speaking about the tradeables but rather the valueless untradeables theat are collecting dust in ur toy boxs/bank . The time has come to make the untradeables no longer discounted the way they were meant to be heck even rereaslimg the event with the exact same rewards works too. Or like old school get all the previous years untradeables this whole holiday item stuff should not be so controversial just give up and let them maje it no longer discounted which it should not have been in the first place cause well you see the diaster it has caused. Heck lets take away everysingle holiday item and restart with it not being that way of discontinueD stay on topic folks and discuss all the postives of rerealeasing holiday items as well as ur support for it.



Dude, seriously?


You sound like a spoiled toddler throwing a hissy fit in the middle of the store cause your mom won't buy you something that sold out.

The holiday items were a thanks and a gift for being there, that day, playing then.

If you weren't; tough.
I'm totally against this, RS has turned into too much of a GimmieScape, and less of actually earning your levels by putting time and effort into your character and the game because of the "entitled generation" as is. There's no need to give everyone "trophies" from the 1932 Olympics because they want one.

21-Oct-2019 03:11:43

Kitana 007

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Whatusaytome said :
Also, the only value this preserving method ruins is the artificial value Blackwing speaks of, which nobody else has ever shown concern for. Nobody actually would care who has an original from the beginning vs a new from the store. A partyhat with a high wealth status is simply that, a partyhat, used to show off their wealth.

Oh good grief!

You really want a party hat THAT bad?!?!?!?!?

Go to OSRS, I'll GIVE you one of my 14, lol!

Geesh, grow up.

The world DOESN'T revolve around you and your "but I want it NOW!!!" mentality.

That Godsmack you're going to receive when you find out how the real world works is REALLY gunna hurt, I'd invest in really good medical insurance now...

21-Oct-2019 03:54:02

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