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As I Wish

As I Wish

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I don't understand how so many people think the SoF sells coins/xp. It doesn't. It's something you have a chance at winning. I would agree with this angry mob of people if they directly did it, which they are NOT. It's not like you buy RuneCoins and can spend it on a lamp directly and the same for coins.
Of course people with money will have a better chance at winning the 200m from the SoF, but guess what? That's money going into the game, to create more content. The odds of winning 200m from the SoF is probably as low as winning an actual lottery anyway. Chances are, the people who do buy spins, even spending $100+ won't even win the 200m.
To be quite honest, it's about time some micro-payments were added into this game. If you noticed as well, Jagex has doubled their staff. This wouldn't be possible without these micro-payments. Runescape will finally jump the hurtle and will be able to pump the game content that everyone seems to want so badly.
There's already a lot in the game to do, unless of course you have done everything. And for the people that have completed everything, why should Jagex abide to your needs and wants when there are plenty of others who still haven't even crossed the threshold of the game content already out? It hardly seems logical for someone to go out of their way just for you because you've done everything.
It's simple. Jagex is a company. They need money to make money and expand their game. Don't like how they do it? Don't play the game.

01-Sep-2012 06:44:12 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2012 06:56:16 by As I Wish

Cpkl2
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Cpkl2

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@ As I Wish
Surely, you must be joking. I'm honestly hoping you're about 9 because if not, you've just made me much more concerned about my generation....
Let me attempt to clear up a few misconceptions you have.
1. You dont understand how people buy gold or xp on SoF. It's very simple. You pay IVP real money for spins. You then spin the wheel and 100% of the time you get either coins or xp lamps. Therefore, if you buy large amounts of spins, you get large amounts of coins and xp. No, its not a system of $5 buys you 500k gp or something but it most certainly sells gold and xp of some amount.
2. You think you don't just buy spins and use them to get lamps or coins? What exactly do you buy spins for then? Every single item on the SoF has a coin value so you're always buying coins with your spins. You also have the option of taking the lamps if you want so you are buying xp as well. Unless you buy spins and don't use them, you are directly using those spins you have purchased to get xp lamps and gold.
3. I'm assuming that by "That's money going into the game, to create more content." you're referring to more money for development. You think that Jagex has doubled its team and that in order to do that they required more money. Now lets think about this for a minute. Jagex makes anywhere from 15-40 million pounds PROFIT PER YEAR. They do not need more money to hire an extra 20-40 people(doubling their team). Just to use up that excess profit (which they claim they have been putting back into the game) the annual salary of 1 programmer would be around 800,000 pounds per year. I guarantee you that no programmer at jagex is making 800,000 a year.
Furthermore, since the release of SoF and SGS we have had the least amount of new content per month of any time in memory. The only "updates" we've had are continuous additions to SoF and SGS with minor content updates thrown in about once a month at best.

01-Sep-2012 08:35:40

Cpkl2
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Cpkl2

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I honestly don't even understand what you're talking about in your 4th paragraph since as far as i can tell it's completely unrelated. This has nothing to do with how much content already exists. It has everything to do with the fact that IVP is breaking about 4 of Jagex's most cherished rules/policies as well as possibly some real world laws depending on your interpretation of online gambling ( I already wrote a post on this and i'm not repeating it so check my profile and find it if you want to see it). It also has to do with the fact that players who are rich in real life are now being given an advantage over those who do not have extra money to blow on a computer game, something Jagex has always been firmly against. And then of course there's the fact that we just want to stop IVP before they finish this phase of their plan for sucking as much money out of games as possible and then leaving them to die because we'd rather have RS not die.

5. Yes, Jagex is a company. They already have, and have always had, enough money to continue to develop and grow without needing to suck more money out of players. Unfortunately, they no longer control their own actions. They already make massive amounts of profit per year but IVP is greedy and wants as much money as they can get, thus the reason for the micro-transactions. And why should we be forced to quit playing a game that we like and that many of us grew up on simply because a greedy company wants to ruin it for the sake of their profits? We can, and will continue to fight IVP every step of the way. If all we can do is post on the forums and hope someone notices, then so be it. It's still better then just giving up and going away because believe me, IVP would like nothing better then for those of us intelligent enough to see whats happening to go away. They already try to censor us like crazy.

We will not forgive, we will not forget, we will not give up no matter how you spin it.
-Cp

01-Sep-2012 08:35:53 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2012 08:45:33 by Cpkl2

Florian_1988

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All you do is mta. No 1 believes your words.
"They need money to make money and expand their game. Don't like how they do it?"
Sure they need to develope their sof advertisement. I love it so much. **** you mütherfücker

01-Sep-2012 08:47:12 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2012 08:49:00 by Florian_1988

Call To Arms
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Call To Arms

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Guys you need to understand that Jagex aren't agreeing to these changes...
After all IVP owns 55% of the stocks and IVP is known for buying companies milking the players then leaving be4 the game dies.
You have to realize that Mod Mark and other Mods have 2 STFU because IVP says so... IVP has had Jmods ban multiple people for mentioning them and telling others about them. So please understand that these aren't 100% agreed upon by Jagex.
All this is is another company buying the shares and then milking its players.Maybe jagex dislikes this but they dont have a say against it one bit. They also don't have a say against the new releases.Why do u guys think jmods don't respond? because IVP has set rules 4 them. They have censored their name in a game they own and the mods.So stop raging at Jagex and rage at IVP who is worth 5billion USD.
This has all been planned out by IVP since 2005 in which they invested into Jagex to own 35% of the stocks then in 2010 they invested more and bout Andrew/Paul's stock which gave them 55% of the stock.This alllows them 2 make whatever changes they want and what all lead to the SOF and Soloman's was the return of the Wilderness. IVP was hoping that returning the wilderness will attract the old players allowing IVP to milk us for more MONEY!
Also think about Mod Mark couldn't have posted any of these updates because its on another mods account... Why not just post it on his own account? Well because IVP won't allow him 2! If he actually said all of this it would be on his own account and wouldn't be on a different account saying its him. It makes no sense at all! Why doesn't Jagex just tell us they are owned by IVP? Well its because IVP censored their companies name...
IVP is the main reason MapleStory died because they bought majority of the stocks and then introduced micro-transactions into the game milked the players then jumped out of market before MapleStory died...

Sincerly,
Greenblade75 - Old School Player

01-Sep-2012 08:56:38

As I Wish

As I Wish

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@Call To Arms
How do you figure Maplestory died? Millions of people STILL play the game, even more if you count the private servers. Maplestory is still very much alive, and is a perfect example of a company who still has their game running with more micro-transactions than I can think of.
@Cp*l2
For whatever reason you believe a programmer makes 800,000 pounds a year is probably the dumbest thing I've heard. You do realize that's over 1.2 million dollars US a year? Are you kidding me? Programmers start out at 30-50 thousand a year, and lead programmer get up to 200 thousand a year.
Secondly, not everything in the SoF has a coin value. Lamps and the summer items, as well as the rares, have NO COIN VALUE. The rares are not tradable, since they are "Lucky" (Insert name here) rares.
People having money in real life was ALWAYS an advantage in games. Think about it. People who have the money, play as a member. That means, of course, we have an advantage over those who play F2P who can't afford members because they don't work or are on a tight budget.
Like I said earlier, look at Maplestory. They produce content regularly. Why? Because of all the micro-transactions. If you don't already know, that whole game is free except for those transactions. Maplestory has 10x as much content overall than Runescape on top of that. That being said, all these micro-transactions are actually doing this game a favor and bringing it into the actual competition of other games, which it would fail to do so without more transactions into the game.
As far as I'm concerned, Jagex hasn't broken any of it's own rules. Everything is provided FROM Jagex, not a third party. THEY ARE NOT selling coins or xp directly, so it doesn't fall under anything they have set. As far as online gambling, lolwut? If gambling was illegal why do we have casinos? I can understand an age limit since you have to pay for more than the daily spins, but calling it outright illegal? No.

01-Sep-2012 09:23:09 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2012 09:23:39 by As I Wish

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Cbb with fake players but I saw a video of Mod Mmg picking up a Java award claiming we have 175m accounts, and 10m active players a month, and some leave and come back years later... He forgot to mention that about 170m of the 175m were bots, so basically he is a liar, and a joker, and this post by him is worth nothing.
We do not need SoF. Find a better way to make money.

01-Sep-2012 09:55:46

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