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Angel2D4

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Dilbert2001 said :
Angel2D4 said :
Urban Rave said :
Hmm.

I wonder how many microtransactions Old School gets?

Just bonds. I don't think they even allow threads suggesting further mtx for old school.

Not exactly. Since Jagex doesn't prohibit conversion of RS3 gp into OSRS gp, essentially, all benefits players obtained from MTX in RS3 actually also present in OSRS all the time.

So the correct answer to "how many microtransactions Old School gets" is technically only bonds but practically all the MTX in RS3. :D :D :D

I stand corrected Dilbert. I do agree that at least a portion of the mtx RS3 sees is visited upon old school in the form of gp transferring (and it's been that way since day 1 of old school).

Not much about RS is a simple black-n-white answer. There's a million shades of grey. =) "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

15-Apr-2018 17:32:38

Blak Paladin
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This announcement alone has brought out more anti-jagex commentary than I've seen over a 12 year span.. all over a buck and a half per month increase. That suggests that no matter what jagex does, there's always going to be a 'vocal minority' who don't want to pay for this game so I see no real harm in them adding mtx to old school if it will help them stay in business longer.

If "people will riot" it's not because of anything jagex does or will do, it's because of a lack of maturity in those people (I mean, do people riot when the cost of food goes up? Seems to me, "riots" should be reserved for real life matters and not costs that are optional in a game).

The old school (daily) player numbers are easily twice what RS3 has so I see no reason why mtx shouldn't be added to old school.

Well, i guess i should be grateful to you for proving one of my earlier points right: when the time comes, apologists will try to go for the "it's just a vocal minority" narrative rather than try to understand why people are "mad"... unless it's a snobish and sometimes sarcastic attempt at doing so just made in order to take jabs at other people... just remember that once MTX's make it into old school (like you apparently want), the good ol' "just go old school" excuse will have to be thrown out the window... but then again, i wonder, if this "issue" is so non-important that it's ridiculous that people are mad... then why is it that you have the need to constantly come back to defend the price increase?

15-Apr-2018 17:38:17

Angel2D4

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Blak Paladin said :
Well, i guess i should be grateful to you for proving one of my earlier points right: when the time comes, apologists will try to go for the "it's just a vocal minority" narrative rather than try to understand why people are "mad"... unless it's a snobish and sometimes sarcastic attempt at doing so just made in order to take jabs at other people... just remember that once MTX's make it into old school (like you apparently want), the good ol' "just go old school" excuse will have to be thrown out the window... but then again, i wonder, if this "issue" is so non-important that it's ridiculous that people are mad... then why is it that you have the need to constantly come back to defend the price increase?

Perhaps I "constantly come back to defend the price increase" because I (that is, me personally) want to see jagex stay in business and in the real world a business is much more likely to close its' doors for good.. when they don't have enough money to do the things they want to do. And.. it's a buck and a half for pete's sake. A milkshake. OR fries. Hell, it costs me more in daily Mt. Dew than a buck and a half.

As has been pointed out (quite accurately even if one doesn't want to see it) old school DOES see the ramifications of RS3's mtx even if not directly. As such, there's no reason why old school shouldn't have direct mtx in the same way RS3 does (again, it goes back to my desire to see jagex keep the doors open so that I have access to the games they offer).

Y'all might very well not want to see jagex remain in business. That doesn't mean others feel the same way. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

15-Apr-2018 17:59:02

Dilbert2001
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Obviously there have never been any "riots" over the last few price hikes. People have never been "mad" or else they would not have kept playing and paying through all these increased prices. Only more players played and paid. The real world official financial reports clearly reflected the facts. :D :D :D

The core play to win elements of MTX have always been in OSRS too the past years since the gp of both versions are freely convertible. Literally, RS3 players can dominate OSRS economically if they want to thanks to MTX in RS3.

To say "go play OSRS because it has no MTX" is just an escapist apporach. OSRS MTX haters should realize they are and have always been dominated by pay to win players from RS3. :D :D :D

15-Apr-2018 18:00:27 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2018 18:01:25 by Dilbert2001

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Blak Paladin said :
Well, i guess i should be grateful to you for proving one of my earlier points right: when the time comes, apologists will try to go for the "it's just a vocal minority" narrative rather than try to understand why people are "mad"... unless it's a snobish and sometimes sarcastic attempt at doing so just made in order to take jabs at other people... just remember that once MTX's make it into old school (like you apparently want), the good ol' "just go old school" excuse will have to be thrown out the window... but then again, i wonder, if this "issue" is so non-important that it's ridiculous that people are mad... then why is it that you have the need to constantly come back to defend the price increase?
I suppose some are after that silver crown by thinking that advocating Jagex at every turn could earn them that neat status symbol... or they're simply such fanboys/girls that they don't realize they're being taken advantage of.

It's just sad that they accept both the excessive monetization damaging the community and the excessive MTX damaging the game, because even if all that was necessary to prolong the game's existence, what does it matter how long the game stays alive, if the game experience becomes awful in the process? I'd rather play a great game for as long as it lasts, than play an awful game for even a second. But honestly, that's not even a concern if Jagex picked one monetization model (membership or MTX, preferably the former) and stuck to it; the game would survive very well, as shown by their financial statements.

Thus the players who don't coddle Jagex at times like this, when it's necessary to be brutally honest to halt the downward spiral, are those who truly care about the game. > )
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15-Apr-2018 18:59:02

Angel2D4

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Sharp-shin said :
I suppose some are after that silver crown by thinking that advocating Jagex at every turn could earn them that neat status symbol... or they're simply such fanboys/girls that they don't realize they're being taken advantage of.

You couldn't possibly know just how funny that claim is. One day.. maybe.. but not at this very moment. lol

It has nothing to do with "advocating Jagex at every turn" nor defending the price increase.

Jagex is a company. As such, they operate in the real world.. not within the game you play. They can't simply go fishin' or wcing to make more money.. business in the real world doesn't work like that.

Step into the real world for a minute.. 30 seconds even.. companies see increase in costs for any variety of reasons, only one of which is the plan to hire additional staff.

When such companies see increase in costs.. they NATURALLY pass on at least some of the costs.. to the consumer.

I can remember paying 20 bucks for a console game.. its' sequel costing $60. Prices GO UP. That's life.

I understand you have a need to believe anyone supporting jagex at this point is just another 'suck-up' (but I'll point out that you ARE supporting them right now, evidenced by the date stamp under your avatar over there).

Jagex doesn't have to keep the rep of being just another "cheap game" just because some of you don't want to pay the extra buck and a half.

Go ahead jagex.. "take advantage" of me (and add that extra $5 a month to old school that the votes warranted!). =P "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

15-Apr-2018 19:19:08

RoboRoofer
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It is found that Shandong Hongda, recognized as a company identified mostly for its iron ore mining procedures, has seemingly obtained British games company named Jagex for worth of $300 million. Moreover, Jagex is recognized finest among MMORPG players for amazingly popular MMO RuneScape. Also, it produced £74.4m in its concluding financial year, known as a latest record for that company.

It actually beats the developer’s prior ‘best ever’ type results past year, during the time it made £57.9m. This suggests that it has obtained revenue growth of 28% for span of 12 months. Moreover, its profit after tax attained level of £28.8m (an increment of 21.5% on yearly basis), through profit exclusive of exceptional things beating £37.8m (up by 50%).

Jagex is one of the renowned and exceptional video game developers centered in England. The growth of this company is held responsible by the dedicated members and it’s CEO who progressed well.

record profit so what gives? sure its a few bucks...A few bucks times however many members there is. all that profit and still no costumer support! TH keys are also going up in price? whats the reasoning behind this move?

15-Apr-2018 19:40:08

Angel2D4

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RoboRoofer said :

record profit so what gives?

If you 'dig' just a little bit deeper into publicly available info you will find that Fukong Interactive is the 'face' of the company that owns jagex.. and their stock, quite recently, TANKED. While a slight recovery has been seen in recent days, the FACT remains that they lost half their value in a very short time span.

It's only logical (in the real world) that the costs of their products would go up. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

15-Apr-2018 19:46:58

NeuralNet
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Dilbert2001 said :
Obviously there have never been any "riots" over the last few price hikes. People have never been "mad" or else they would not have kept playing and paying through all these increased prices. Only more players played and paid. The real world official financial reports clearly reflected the facts. :D :D :D

The core play to win elements of MTX have always been in OSRS too the past years since the gp of both versions are freely convertible. Literally, RS3 players can dominate OSRS economically if they want to thanks to MTX in RS3.

To say "go play OSRS because it has no MTX" is just an escapist apporach. OSRS MTX haters should realize they are and have always been dominated by pay to win players from RS3. :D :D :D

The last price increase almost had no major negative reaction. This one did. I think the difference is two fold:

1) USD $11/mo is psychologically a "premium" price. It's double digits, and it makes the membership fee "comparable" to games like WoW. It now invites comparisons between different MMOs that didn't exist before. It doesn't feel valid to say "but RS is cheaper", technically it still is, but not enough for people to care because of the psychological double digit thing. RS low cost was ALWAYS a selling point of the game.
2) Lack of major updates. RS had a really bad last year, even Jagex admitted this. The level of updates has gone down dramatically. There used to be a time where we'd get 1-2 new skills and something like 20 new quests per year. Combine this with a rise in MTX promos and a price increase, it really feels like the value players used to get from RuneScape is diminishing.

Combine these together and you can understand why the reaction is so negative compared to past price increases. :D
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15-Apr-2018 20:02:25

NeuralNet
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To add, I think the revenue increases is more reflective of the success of OSRS. If you look at the quantitative numbers, RS3 has been in a significant decline. The net number of players have been trending up (slightly), but those players are in OSRS.

I'm sure the executive staff of Jagex is asking hard questions, like why does RS3 have 4x+ more developers despite having 1/2 the players? While it's true that the value per RS3 player is probably higher due to MTX, it's unlikely to be 8x higher. Many OSRS players have been petitioning Jagex to reduce the resources spent on RS3 or at least to have a separate, possibly higher membership fee for the game.

That said, the majority of the money Jagex produces is transferred to a Shanghai-based holding company and not reinvested in either game. This is verifiable in the annual reports the company puts out. Additionally the company has an Unannounced MMO that has stolen RS3 developers and the majority of job openings in the past 2+ years. I think given this evidence, we can safely say there is no real connection between the membership fees and the company's spending on the game. :D
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15-Apr-2018 20:29:38 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2018 20:44:11 by NeuralNet

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