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I just go off of what I have been educated on and applications in the real world, and I am just saying: it doesn't look good. It doesn't look good based on what? Up until 2015, the company had quite a high profit rate, and the company's stock has been following the SHCOMP trends almost exactly. The losses they took last year weren't a result of poor management of the company, they were a result of a failing steel industry that turned to cheaper foreign ores, rather than continuing to buy domestically. As a result, the company has decided to invest internationally before the bubble bursts completely. And this isn't the first time the company has changed industries. Before the mining operations, they were a mainly chemical based company, specializing in things such as low toxicity pesticides. However, when that industry started to come to an end, they moved onto the booming mining industry. I doubt that they intend to convert over to a software development industry, but rather are simply parking their money in something profitable while they attempt to figure out what to do with the mining side of the company.
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23-Mar-2016 08:21:37

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Yes, it is mostly internal, but that's not ALL what HR does.

It's HR's JOB (emphasis on JOB) to make the company look good. That is PR by its very definition.

You're not very good at arguing your point. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

23-Mar-2016 08:22:21

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Yes, it is mostly internal, but that's not ALL what HR does.

It's HR's JOB (emphasis on JOB) to make the company look good. That is PR by its very definition.

You're not very good at arguing your point.

It really depends on the size of the company. If your talking about a 4 person company, then HR might be the Marketing manager too.

The larger the company, the more separate these parts become. A company of Jagex's size has whole separate departments*

** does not equal HR. Look it up.

23-Mar-2016 08:24:55

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It doesn't look good based on what? Up until 2015, the company had quite a high profit rate

And profitability means nothing if you don't have positive cash flow. You could have 1 Googol USD in a resource, but it means nothing if it is not moving.

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The losses they took last year weren't a result of poor management of the company, they were a result of a failing steel industry that turned to cheaper foreign ores, rather than continuing to buy domestically.

As I said, company facing losses and cash flow issues in a failing industry. Doesn't look good.

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I doubt that they intend to convert over to a software development industry, but rather are simply parking their money in something profitable while they attempt to figure out what to do with the mining side of the company.

I doubt they're looking to convert too (there woulda been more splash in buying out other software dev if they were), but as I keep saying: they're not blowing 300M USD for something to sit idly by for 5+ years while trying to figure out what to do with their failing investments (they'll be getting to that ASAP). It would be daft to think otherwise. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

23-Mar-2016 08:39:54

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It really depends on the size of the company. If your talking about a 4 person company, then HR might be the Marketing manager too.

The larger the company, the more separate these parts become. A company of Jagex's size has whole separate departments

*R does not equal HR. Look it up.

I did, and nothing states they are outright different

HR's job is to make the company look good and HR is PR by its very definition. You can stop trying to act like you know what you're talking about. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

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they're not blowing 300M USD for something to sit idly by for 5+ years while trying to figure out what to do with their failing investments (they'll be getting to that ASAP). It would be daft to think otherwise. But, Jagex won't be sitting idle for 5 years; business will continue as usual, and they will reap the profits. They aren't investing money into something they plan to ruin. Obviously they will want to gain as much profit as possible, but, I highly doubt that they will be interfering with the day to day operations so long as their dividends are healthy. I doubt they will risk their investment by making all kinds of heavy changes.
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23-Mar-2016 08:46:15

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It really depends on the size of the company. If your talking about a 4 person company, then HR might be the Marketing manager too.

The larger the company, the more separate these parts become. A company of Jagex's size has whole separate departments

*R does not equal HR. Look it up.

I did, and nothing states they are outright different

HR's job is to make the company look good and HR is PR by its very definition. You can stop trying to act like you know what you're talking about. I have to agree with Telcis here, I think you have your terms confused. Human Resources isn't Public Relations. Human Resources is geared towards the employees, not the public.
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23-Mar-2016 08:48:10

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But, Jagex won't be sitting idle for 5 years; business will continue as usual, and they will reap the profits. They aren't investing money into something they plan to ruin. Obviously they will want to gain as much profit as possible, but, I highly doubt that they will be interfering with the day to day operations so long as their dividends are healthy. I doubt they will risk their investment by making all kinds of heavy changes.

You got what I meant.

A company that is staring at the face of:

- A failing industry

- 50M in the hole

- and a negative cash flow

isn't going to wait the 5+ years it will take for them to break even and figure out what they're going to do with their failing investment (they gotta put food on their plate at the end of the day). They're going to want to be in the green ASAP. Desperation makes people do things they would not normally do (which I would think is evident by paying top dollar for Jagex).

Now, does this ACTUALLY mean they're desperate? Maybe, maybe not, but paying the kinda money they are and NOT making any changes whatsoever sounds EXTREMELY far-fetched to me. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

23-Mar-2016 08:58:39

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