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The irony. But, that's neither here nor there.

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So you mean like this ^ deliberate misunderstanding?

I see..


Meh, it's an amateur tactic to annoy someone at best. We all know what is being tried here.

As I said, nobody is going to invest 300M on a vending machine and just let it idle.
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23-Mar-2016 06:30:47

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nobody is going to invest 300M on a vending machine and just let it idle.
Unless idling means a profit of $8m per year for doing nothing other than owning it. ;)
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23-Mar-2016 06:37:07

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nobody is going to invest 300M on a vending machine and just let it idle.
Unless idling means a profit of $8m per year for doing nothing other than owning it. ;)


Well, if (big if here) they were already 50M in the hole with a negative cash flow of 600K prior to this deal, it'd take almost 7 years to get out of the hole (factoring in the negative cash flow). No company, especially an investment company at that, is going to sit and wait 7 years to break even. If they did, I would genuinely be surprised.
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23-Mar-2016 06:41:53

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nobody is going to invest 300M on a vending machine and just let it idle.
Unless idling means a profit of $8m per year for doing nothing other than owning it. ;)


Well, if (big if here) they were already 50M in the hole with a negative cash flow of 600K prior to this deal, it'd take almost 7 years to get out of the hole (factoring in the negative cash flow). No company, especially an investment company at that, is going to sit and wait 7 years to break even. If they did, I would genuinely be surprised.
They still have plenty of inventory. The $50m loss was a result of lack of overturn on their inventory, not to mention they still have plenty of international buyers lined up for their inventory, so Jagex wouldn't be their only source of revenue.

By moving a substantial portion of their cash out of China and into the international markets, they can protect that money from the impacts of the falling yuan. At the same time, they're earning profit on the cash they moved out of China (from Jagex). And in a few years time, they can sell the stock to another party to recoup their initial investment in Jagex.
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23-Mar-2016 06:47:18

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They still have plenty of inventory. The $50m loss was a result of lack of overturn on their inventory, not to mention they still have plenty of international buyers lined up for their inventory, so Jagex wouldn't be their only source of revenue.


Here's the thing about cash flow, Nexus: it measures how much money is being moved from A to B-Z and vice-versa. If it's positive, your assets are having an increasing value. Seeing that the cash flow is negative, it means that their value is decreasing, making it harder for said company to participate in business (i.e. pay expenses for running your business). Inventory means diddly **** if you can not "convert" it to cash.

Your argument would be true if they didn't have the cash flow problem.
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23-Mar-2016 06:58:58

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Finally! He posts something moderately constructive!

Yes someone would buy an up to 300m vending machine if it meant they don't lose value when they sell it later. They are also making a profit as Nexus said.

Cash flow is important, and the declining yuan does impede this even further. So what's the solution? Buying into overseas investments! This improves cash flow as the foreign country is not inherently losing value.

23-Mar-2016 07:03:14

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Would it be safe to assume that you think Jagex's new owners will change the vending machine for their own purposes?

What purposes do you believe these to be?

What makes you suspect this to be the case?

23-Mar-2016 07:04:43

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They still have plenty of inventory. The $50m loss was a result of lack of overturn on their inventory, not to mention they still have plenty of international buyers lined up for their inventory, so Jagex wouldn't be their only source of revenue.


Here's the thing about cash flow, Nexus: it measures how much money is being moved from A to B-Z and vice-versa. If it's positive, your assets are having an increasing value. Seeing that the cash flow is negative, it means that their value is decreasing, making it harder for said company to participate in business (i.e. pay expenses for running your business). Inventory means diddly **** if you can not "convert" it to cash.

Your argument would be true if they didn't have the cash flow problem.
Your argument might hold more weight if you had actually read the 2015 financial reports, which aren't going to be submitted for another 3 days. ;)
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23-Mar-2016 07:11:40

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I am not going to repeat myself as to why they would modify their acquisition. Not my fault if it is not an answer you can accept. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

23-Mar-2016 07:12:38

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Your argument might hold more weight if you had actually read the 2015 financial reports, which aren't going to be submitted for another 3 days. ;)


IF it's not available, then why discuss it?
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23-Mar-2016 07:13:46

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