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Team Skull
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Dilbert hit the nail on the head. I am pleased with his analysis. Dude knows what he is on about. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

23-Mar-2016 02:41:02

Angel2D4

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What is it that leads YOU to believe Shanghai Hongtou Network and Technology Co. will take a 'hands off approach'?

What evidence supports that they will simply leave jagex where it's at, how it is and not hire somebody else (say, that works for less money than current jagex staff do)?


Specifically for the staff, the gains in hiring cheaper staff would probably be lost in teaching them the current system. Not to mention that it wouldn't be that significant in difference.

The main points would be that they aren't game developers, and that they are investing a lot of money. It would be a waste to just scrap the company, to hold it at its current value would benefit them. So unless its positive change, to the value of the company, it would be counterintuitive to go forward.[/quote]


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You appear to be making a blind assumption that there is nobody in China with the same training or capacity as the jagex staff that currently run this game. And that's aside from the fact that it is potentially nothing more than a publisher they will need once all is said and done (in much the same way Nexon NA operates).

You surely are convinced that you're right (and it seems more important to you than any other poster I've read comments from). I don't honestly believe you're convincing anyone else though.
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23-Mar-2016 02:41:19 - Last edited on 23-Mar-2016 02:42:01 by Angel2D4

Tclcis

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No I'm making a blind assumption that the specific coding of the game, the procedures and layout of new code is not inherently known by people that join Jagex. Its all stuff that needs to be learnt, which takes time and money.

Yes I am confident in my ability to use the information we have to make accurate predictions.

23-Mar-2016 02:48:34

Angel2D4

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No I'm making a blind assumption that the specific coding of the game, the procedures and layout of new code is not inherently known by people that join Jagex. Its all stuff that needs to be learnt, which takes time and money.

Yes I am confident in my ability to use the information we have to make accurate predictions.


So confident then, perhaps you can tell me why Shanghai Hongtou would need jagex when they have Ultizen right there in Shanghai?

And for those who don't recognize the name Ultizen, it's the company that DEVELOPED War of Legends.
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23-Mar-2016 02:53:45

Dilbert2001
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That's only because you are assuming that I was stating the law rather than referencing to it.
Please do go back and make sure that this is the case.
You continue to take every word I say as law. I explained to you that the issue with gods/religions was only a potential example, a stab in the dark. Why would I do something like that? To show you, and onlookers that there is a lot of things to consider when taking about moving a game developer to China. It was not to argue nuances.
Have I explained this sufficiently so that you see your misinterpretation?

New Jagex? Jagex will remain the same, its the investors that will change. Yes they can change the staff after acquiring Jagex, but where is the information that suggests that they will do this?
The only information that we do have, is suggestive of a hedge during the Chinese economy slow down.


Listen, the Chinese government simply doesn't have regulations against gods and religions in their countries, not only in fictitious games, movies, television programs, books, etc, but they also have brick and mortar Christian and Catholic churches, substantial Muslim people in some of their Western states, Hinduism practitioners, etc etc etc. The fact is, they are all ALLOWED. PERIOD!!!!!

The rest of "your" points are just what you think. They don't come out of the mouths of the new Brasses. I don't tend to argue about hypothetical comments without precise sources. That's the reason I did not express my POV before my last post, and I want to emphasis it is just what I think at this point before anything factual surfaces. I may be 100% right, 100% wrong or somewhere in between.

One more thing I want to tell you is there there are a lot of foreign companies a Chinese firms can buy. I don't think anybody will just blindly dump $300 million on some dummy company as a "hedge" if they don't really have a plan in their minds. They do have plans and changes in mind

23-Mar-2016 02:56:38

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I would like to point out that the majority of Jagex's software is non-standard and proprietary. While it may be true that RuneScape is written in Java (NXT being C++ based), there is more to the company than just the RuneScape game client. For example, Jagex servers are running a custom Unix based operating system which is proprietary and not publicly available. The website does not run standard server scripting such as PHP, it uses webscript, which again is proprietary and not publicly available. Even with the game client being written in Java/C++, the game itself is developed in RuneScript, only the game engine is done in Java/C++, and again, RuneScript is proprietary and not publicly available.

To lay off all the employees and relocate the entire company to China with their own employees would be a massive undertaking, and would most likely cost more money than they would save on salaries, as they would need to train all the developer teams to work with systems and languages that they have never used before and that have no public documentation.
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23-Mar-2016 03:07:16

Tclcis

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I don't recognise Shanghai Hongtou, do you know the conglomerate name that owns Shandong Hongda?

Dilbert, having looked back at my wording, it was a poor choice. I know that they don't ban all types of religion. There are some that are heavily censored. But that is not of this topic, and too political for these forums.
I have been explicitly clear, if you want to twist my words for your own agenda then go for it. I wont respond to any more of it, I find it interesting that you propose hypotheticals then actively dismiss others from doing so.

As I said earlier, which you either did not see or have conveniently forgotten. Jagex provides stability with the potential for growth. Did I anywhere say that they don't have any idea what they are doing?

23-Mar-2016 03:10:58 - Last edited on 23-Mar-2016 03:11:21 by Tclcis

Tclcis

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I would like to point out that the majority of Jagex's software is non-standard and proprietary. While it may be true that RuneScape is written in Java (NXT being C++ based), there is more to the company than just the RuneScape game client. For example, Jagex servers are running a custom Unix based operating system which is proprietary and not publicly available. The website does not run standard server scripting such as PHP, it uses webscript, which again is proprietary and not publicly available. Even with the game client being written in Java/C++, the game itself is developed in RuneScript, only the game engine is done in Java/C++, and again, RuneScript is proprietary and not publicly available.

To lay off all the employees and relocate the entire company to China with their own employees would be a massive undertaking, and would most likely cost more money than they would save on salaries, as they would need to train all the developer teams to work with systems and languages that they have never used before and that have no public documentation.


Don't be silly, we are not allowed logic and reason here.

23-Mar-2016 03:12:19

Team Skull
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To lay off all the employees and relocate the entire company to China with their own employees would be a massive undertaking, and would most likely cost more money than they would save on salaries, as they would need to train all the developer teams to work with systems and languages that they have never used before and that have no public documentation.


And let's be real here for a moment Nexus:

You don't think this new company, if/when they get 100% control, can command the CEO (since the BoD is a thing) to essentially have the people down at RuneScape duplicate this proprietary information and hire cheap labor in China and potentially net exponentially more profit? You don't think there isn't ONE person in China who DOESN'T have the expertise to work with this stuff if the need arose (and quickly might I add)?

You'd be being less than honest with yourself if you think this is the case.
"Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

23-Mar-2016 03:15:24

Tclcis

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To lay off all the employees and relocate the entire company to China with their own employees would be a massive undertaking, and would most likely cost more money than they would save on salaries, as they would need to train all the developer teams to work with systems and languages that they have never used before and that have no public documentation.


And let's be real here for a moment Nexus:

You don't think this new company, if/when they get 100% control, can command the CEO (since the BoD is a thing) to essentially have the people down at RuneScape duplicate this proprietary information and hire cheap labor in China and potentially net exponentially more profit? You don't think there isn't ONE person in China who DOESN'T have the expertise to work with this stuff if the need arose (and quickly might I add)?

You'd be being less than honest with yourself if you think this is the case.

See Nexus, this is how you should post, blindly ignore the logic and reasoning posted. Forget the original point and how its connected to the topic. Then post whatever you want.

23-Mar-2016 03:18:41

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