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Angel2D4

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Your referring to the Chinese anti fatigue system? Last I heard it was only applicable to people under the age of 18.

I'm referring to games that are locked to China specifically. The ones that REQUIRE an ID to register (and yeah, when they ban over there, it's a lifetime ban because it's a ban on the ID and not just the account name). ID that can only be obtained if you live IN China. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

24-Mar-2016 00:04:42

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Don't mind me while I laugh a little more (you can't really expect me to not be entertained by being accused of deflecting questions with humor, when you readily admit there was no question asked).

I've seen fmod post saying it's not ok to explain how to search for something (OSRS general thread on this same topic) so that makes it pretty tough to tell you how to find the info.

How about we go with this:

You go try to create an account on China's iteration of world of warcraft...

Or, try to gather info on 'regional lockouts'?

It's been my experience that games that ARE region locked to China, require that you have an ID that can only be obtained by living IN China and that ID is only issued to one person. Ever. I never accused you of deflecting questions.

You don't need to tell me what to search in order to find something that supports your claims. Just quote an article that backs up the claim, I can do the rest on my own.

World of Warcraft isn't an example of a game that is "locked down to only China", as it is available globally.

Trying to gather info about 'regional lockouts' doesn't really result in any information regarding video games in China being locked down to only China, it's mainly basic information about what and how region coding works.

I'm looking for something substantial that specifically states that the majority of games in China are locked down to only China, as is the claim.
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24-Mar-2016 00:06:22

Tclcis

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Why would they need to wait that long?

Let's look at jagex's annual profits?

If the investment is 300M, how long do you suppose it would take for that which you are calling 'quarterly profit' to actually reach 300M.

You seem to be suggesting that this company is only wanting to buy jagex to later sell it, and there is NO evidence currently available to support that belief.

Let's be generous here and say jagex nets 1.5M a year in profit. How many years would that be if this new company sits on its' hands and waits for the initial return of the 300M?

Jagex gets about (more than 1.5m) profit each year, but that was split between the investors and so Jagex the company would only make about 1m that was put back into the company for improvements each year.

Also, the company isn't intending on holding it until its made back the sale price in yearly profit. They would only need to do that if the company's value went to $0 after thy bought it.
It can be sold at any time to get some value back, probably not the full 300m. But the excess can be gained through yearly profit by not doing anything.

24-Mar-2016 00:13:41 - Last edited on 24-Mar-2016 00:16:46 by Tclcis

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Why would they need to wait that long?

Let's look at jagex's annual profits?

If the investment is 300M, how long do you suppose it would take for that which you are calling 'quarterly profit' to actually reach 300M.

You seem to be suggesting that this company is only wanting to buy jagex to later sell it, and there is NO evidence currently available to support that belief.

Let's be generous here and say jagex nets 1.5M a year in profit. How many years would that be if this new company sits on its' hands and waits for the initial return of the 300M? There is no evidence to support your belief that they plan to keep the company for 200 years either... Considering that countless Chinese companies have been investing billions in foreign investments in order to protect themselves from the falling yuan, it isn't unforeseeable to presume that the buyers are interested in Jagex for the exact same reason.

I'm not sure where you're getting your "1.5m a year in profit" from, but it is highly inaccurate. Jagex just had one of their most profitable years ever, somewhere around $54m if I remember correctly, and the buyers expect to bring in around *7.7m profit per year from the dividend payments.
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24-Mar-2016 00:13:53

Tclcis

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Your referring to the Chinese anti fatigue system? Last I heard it was only applicable to people under the age of 18.

I'm referring to games that are locked to China specifically. The ones that REQUIRE an ID to register (and yeah, when they ban over there, it's a lifetime ban because it's a ban on the ID and not just the account name). ID that can only be obtained if you live IN China.

Which games are these? The only situation that I have heard about is the anti fatigue system (anti addiction) which limits the time people can spend on games in China. Specifically to stop addiction.
I'm sure there are some games limited to China alone, but that has no relation to runescape being turned into one of these games.

24-Mar-2016 00:15:35

Angel2D4

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"World of Warcraft isn't an example of a game that is "locked down to only China", as it is available globally."

The Chinese iteration is most certainly NOT available outside of China. I didn't say WoW wasn't available anywhere else. I said you should try to create an account on China's iteration of it.

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"I'm looking for something substantial that specifically states that the majority of games in China are locked down to only China, as is the claim."

China owns more than one game.. how many of the MMOs they own are available to anyone outside of China?

LoL (and no, that's not laughing, that's League of Legends).

Back to that cooking analogy... if the recipe has already failed (or succeeded in the case of China not making multiple games available outside of China) why on earth would you change it?

Oops.. I think I just reversed that analogy. =) "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

24-Mar-2016 00:17:44

Angel2D4

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Why would they need to wait that long?

Let's look at jagex's annual profits?

If the investment is 300M, how long do you suppose it would take for that which you are calling 'quarterly profit' to actually reach 300M.

You seem to be suggesting that this company is only wanting to buy jagex to later sell it, and there is NO evidence currently available to support that belief.

Let's be generous here and say jagex nets 1.5M a year in profit. How many years would that be if this new company sits on its' hands and waits for the initial return of the 300M? There is no evidence to support your belief that they plan to keep the company for 200 years either... Considering that countless Chinese companies have been investing billions in foreign investments in order to protect themselves from the falling yuan, it isn't unforeseeable to presume that the buyers are interested in Jagex for the exact same reason.

I'm not sure where you're getting your "1.5m a year in profit" from, but it is highly inaccurate. Jagex just had one of their most profitable years ever, somewhere around $54m if I remember correctly, and the buyers expect to bring in around *7.7m profit per year from the dividend payments.

Ah see now you're getting into what I saw a fmod say it's not allowed to explain how to find that info..

Sorry dude, your on your own finding financial info on any company. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

24-Mar-2016 00:19:44

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"World of Warcraft isn't an example of a game that is "locked down to only China", as it is available globally."

The Chinese iteration is most certainly NOT available outside of China. I didn't say WoW wasn't available anywhere else. I said you should try to create an account on China's iteration of it.
I asked for an example that supports your claim of the vast majority (if not all) of the games in China are locked down to only China. You provide an example of a game that is globally available (WoW). And then you provide another example of a game that is globally available (LoL). If the vast majority of games in China are locked down to only China, then how come you have only provided two examples of games that are globally available? You should be able to list hundreds that back up your claim.

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Sorry dude, your on your own finding financial info on any company. I don't need your assistance finding financial info on either Jagex or Shandong, as I have already gone through all their financial records, plus the fact that I never asked you for that info. What I asked was for you to back up the claim you have made about the majority of games in China being locked down to China only. Quote me an article that supports your claim. If it's the vast majority (if not all) as you claim, then surely you should be able to find at least one article supporting your claim.
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24-Mar-2016 00:33:00

Angel2D4

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"There is no evidence to support your belief that they plan to keep the company for 200 years either... "

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Twist what I said kiddo.. whatever floats your boat.

And now, because you insist on twisting my words to claim I said something I didn't (or you blindly assumed a belief NOT stated) I see no point in you and I continuing a discussion and we can simply agree to disagree. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

24-Mar-2016 00:33:20

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