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Nabu Rimanni

Nabu Rimanni

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Yes, RuneScape has become a pay-to-win game.

It wasn't at all a couple of years ago.

The phrase pay-to-win means you can pay to get ahead in the game.

If you pay money to get a virtual item that helps you play better, that's pay-to-win.

Now you can pay money, and it's not against the rules, for anything that's for sale at the GE. Just buy a quantity of Bonds, exchange them for gp at the GE, and buy that item.

Now money buys gold and virtual items. That's pay-to-win.

26-Sep-2013 19:14:14

Mod Redfox

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Yes, RuneScape has become a pay-to-win game.

It wasn't at all a couple of years ago.

The phrase pay-to-win means you can pay to get ahead in the game.

If you pay money to get a virtual item that helps you play better, that's pay-to-win.

Now you can pay money, and it's not against the rules, for anything that's for sale at the GE. Just buy a quantity of Bonds, exchange them for gp at the GE, and buy that item.

Now money buys gold and virtual items. That's pay-to-win.
RuneScape is never going to be pay to win. The introduction of bonds doesn't allow players to purchase items that are not available in the game already. In addition whilst bonds can be traded between players for items, however, this doesn't guarantee success. Knowledge of the game and experience in it cannot be traded or purchased easily, instead that is something that comes with time and effort playing RuneScape.

In addition to this success, or winning if you wish to phrase it that way, means different things to different people. For some it might be hitting 99 in a skill, others it could be completing a quest, or having a large circle of friends.

26-Sep-2013 19:19:57

nilsea
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nilsea

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On a side thought, won't this actually promote inflation, as every one will be able to sell gold now, even those who were afraid or too lazy to do so until now. Thus coins will become even less valuable? Eh whateva.

To afraid or lazy to RWIT? So cheating is a noble pursuit?

I think not. Try too honest and rule abiding.

Wow. Now the trolls are openly mocking honest players in the forums too.

wtf did someone really say that? sigh I suppose that is the type of player I mean payer they want now.

Btw**** Mod,

It does not matter how much you reword it or make it seem like it is not directly selling advantage it is. You gave in to the cheaters instead of the ones who followed your rules for years.

26-Sep-2013 19:24:11

Ir0nman44

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Agreed.

You BS us for years about not breaking the rules, restrict the wilderness and trade limits, and now you finally give in and intentionally **** us? Just so that you can get a cut of the market share.

Go to hell Jagex. I hope you go bankrupt.

26-Sep-2013 19:25:52

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I've been playing for over 10 years, and to be honest this seems like a good step in the right direction. Bots have always been a huge pain, and I've seen this strategy work before. However, the economics of it must balance out. This means it must be cheaper to buy bonds than gold. This is not currently the case, and I believe Jagex should step in and level the economy out a little (I know, that's not a statement people like to hear, but it's true none the less). The bonds G.E. prices are too low to compete with the gold farmers.

26-Sep-2013 19:27:56

Drackony

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Bottom line, players are now able to buy gold for real world currency. Jagex says they didn't want to start selling gold, but this is EXACTLY what they did.

Jagex is only worried about putting as much money in their pockets as possible.

26-Sep-2013 19:37:54 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 19:39:19 by Drackony

Mr Helmut
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Mr Helmut

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You're playing with fire Jagex. What you've done is minimal. Any further RWT regulated by you is going to be pushing the boulder down the hill into the valley of Runescape.

This has done nothing to stop RWT. $5 buys a bond which is currently worth 6-12m in game. meaning $5 is equal to about 60 cents per mill. A quick google seach shows that this is nowhere near the competitive prices of around 35 cents per mill. (seriously took me about 4 seconds to learn this via google).

What this means?

People who were afraid to RWT now will.
People who have been RWT still will, because they know their method is safe and they get more bang for their buck.

The idea of bonds is good, but I seriously think more thought/community input should have gone into this.
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26-Sep-2013 19:38:07

Hal-Cal
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Hal-Cal

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Yes, RuneScape has become a pay-to-win game.

It wasn't at all a couple of years ago.

The phrase pay-to-win means you can pay to get ahead in the game.

If you pay money to get a virtual item that helps you play better, that's pay-to-win.

Now you can pay money, and it's not against the rules, for anything that's for sale at the GE. Just buy a quantity of Bonds, exchange them for gp at the GE, and buy that item.

Now money buys gold and virtual items. That's pay-to-win.
RuneScape is never going to be pay to win. The introduction of bonds doesn't allow players to purchase items that are not available in the game already. In addition whilst bonds can be traded between players for items, however, this doesn't guarantee success. Knowledge of the game and experience in it cannot be traded or purchased easily, instead that is something that comes with time and effort playing RuneScape.

In addition to this success, or winning if you wish to phrase it that way, means different things to different people. For some it might be hitting 99 in a skill, others it could be completing a quest, or having a large circle of friends.

When I see pay to win this is what I mean... player (A) buys a number of bonds and sells them to player (B) for in-game currency. Player (B) then has the benefits that allow them to make more money then they did before. They did earn this ability And so on their end it is not paying to win so much as investing to do better. However, if player (A) chooses to use the in-game currency garnered from selling bonds to player (B) to throw money at a skill (like herb, prayer etc.). Then, Player (A) will have pretty much bought their levels. They still have to put in the time and effort to redeem that purchase. But, paying real world money to Jagex beyond their membership has made their advancement in the game a whole lot easier.

26-Sep-2013 19:39:05

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