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Dubi0usKilla

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with the bonds in play, these gold farmers are simply going to take to buying the bonds straight from Jagex using the same credit cards they would previously have brought memberships with. They will then sell these at a fraction of what Jagex sells them for, lets say $1 a pop. The implication of this being that people now have a black market to buy membership from, at a far cheaper rate, say $2 a month. and this is what will make this black market thrive.

From the gold farmer perspective, this process is money laundering. They purchase these bonds with stolen money (or dirty, if you will) and they pass them off to players for less, legitimate (or clean, if you will) money. Effectively, they turn $5 of dirty money, into $1 of clean money.

This is going to have a rather significant impact for Jagex, in that suddenly, they will have all these players buying memberships off the ex gold farmers, while the credit card companies dispute the initial transaction that produced the bond, resulting in jagex never receiving the $5. effectively instead of GP being introduced into the economy, Memberships are instead. crippling Jagex source of income (not to mention driving the processing fees through the roof).

Jagex could simply remove any bond from the game in which the transaction has not been honoured, but what if the bond has already been traded for an innocent players hard earned GP? This scenario which will have to eventuate, will undermine confidence in the bond system, driving the GP value


People would actually be quite surprised how much MMORPGs contribute to real world, organized criminal type money launderings. Happens all the time, and something like this in the game simply makes that all the easier for these criminal enterprises. I don't know what in the hell jagex is thinking but, this is not the correct option at all.

26-Sep-2013 12:09:03

Only Z

Only Z

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i posted earlier for bonds to be an effective way to buy Rs money from jagex (which is what they're doing without pumping money into the game) the bonds have to be worth a minimum of 15m street price to compare with websites that sell RSGp... and as it seems bonds are selling for 5-8m for 3 quid ... i still can see many people saying they'd rather spend 3 quid and get 15m Rsgp from websites...

there needs to be more flexibility for people to buy or use bonds, as coins and spins are definitely NOT worth paying for as the return on runecoins is a cosmetic item...
and spins the return for 8 of them will be around about 1k - 10k and maybe 5-15k xp.

however their idea is right, they want to combat Rwt without selling money, and at the same time put a sink hole for money in the game. what they could do to stabalize the bonds is to have it where the players can trade bonds in for items that are untradable, but at the same time, worth buying. one way about this is to have it so you could purchase a degradable (but repairable) armour set that scales with levels (up to level 77) for XXX amount of bonds, therefore creating a demand for the bonds for people, and also creating another money sink hole - and if those items are lost - can be bought back again (depending on the level of the armor) from anywhere between 100k at lower levels (40-60) up to 50m+ (at level 85) - however with that said rs would again be about money hoarding (as most can agree that is the end game goals ... who cares about max cape if u have 10m gp...) only this time, when people get scammed or lose out on items, they're not thinking oh dang that's 15m gone, they're thinking that kid just stole 6 quid from me, or when they die and lose bank (100m+) that's 5+ month game time gone.

26-Sep-2013 12:11:23

1ryb

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Jagex's logic: we do offical RWT so we can ruin goldfarmers.
Actually, if you wanna do RWT, just tell us straightly that you are adding something that costs real money and the reason is that you need money for the projects you are working on. Dun tell us fake reasons such as this. It does nothing but makes us sick.

26-Sep-2013 12:21:42

Thieverpedia

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A game where one can simply buy their success is a game that gets boring quickly. You may have gotten rid of the gold farmers temporarily, but this will have a traumatic long-term effect. Don't fool yourselves into thinking that if you're the ones selling gold, this makes you any better then the gold farmers. I'd rather have gold farmers then to have you throw the game away like this, and for what? A little more profit you can squeeze out of the players?

Year of the player payer.
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26-Sep-2013 12:23:15

Mr Ridiklous

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Mwahhhaahahahaha,

I did not believe it when I was told so had to come see for myself.

Bwahhhahaaa you have turned into what you stood against before the corruption began, I am not gonna say the corruption began with IVP, it started with a certain staff member who I shall not name.

I looked over many things and turned my eye up until buyable spins.

are you really that looped that you think if they buy bonds they won't buy illegal gold?

Was that 40-50 percent the ones that are still blindly spinning just to get the little ugly thing off the screen?

Just randomly throwing out a number and accusing almost half your player base of cheating is not good business or common sense, but maybe you will see that one day.

seems to me with updates like this you are wanting the cheating kind and I got blackmarked for a few words bwahhhh.

I am going to say if your estimation of so many gold farmers is true, then almost the rest of the ones that are not will be moving oldschool or just plain outright giving up on you.

Accusing so many customers of lacking integrity is just stupid.

26-Sep-2013 12:25:15

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Everybody benefits from Bonds*except gold farmers!


RuneScape veterans can use their in game assets to fund their membership.

Player Examples
Hi, my name is Simon and I have been playing RuneScape for 8 years. I have a completionist cape and my levels are all maxed! I have worked very hard over my years of playing, and now I sit on a small fortune of resources, items and gold. Rather than keep spending my own money, I can now trade some of my game wealth for Bonds, redeeming them for many months of unbroken RuneScape membership without having to spend another dollar myself! ☺

Bonds give a helping hand to new players wanting to progress.

Player Examples
Hi, my name is Sam and I have been playing RuneScape for 6 months now. I love training combat, but some better equipment and armour would really help me. I want to buy Bonds and swap them for some ganodermic armour. I might finally be able to join my friends on a Nex run!

The ability to gift your friends.


Player Examples
Hi, my name is Jessica and I have been playing RuneScape for three years. My free friends would really like to play with me but they can’t always afford membership and I don’t like playing on the free world. I’m going to ...



Oh Mod MMG, I would be grateful if you could arrange these RuneScape veterans to this thread, especially Katie and t0m_thumb please. Cause many of us can't wait to have a nice chat with them now. Thousands thanks!

26-Sep-2013 12:29:01

Mr Ridiklous

Mr Ridiklous

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Forgot to add:

Jagex Logic:

If we can't beat them then lets join them.

unfortunately I think I foresee many of the players starting to break the rules with the same mindset.

Which one of you said the secret rwter quote ? something like thanks for allowing me to gain an unfair advantage? yah that was spot on,

I am disappointed to see the game I once loved headed in this direction.

Back in the day, this game taught me respect, hard work, ethics and disclipline, now the newbies get a way to buy success. gl hope it works out and you get to buy back from ivp this is going nowhere for true honest players.

26-Sep-2013 12:32:42

Nuke Yelps
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Nuke Yelps

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Oh, the hypocrisy of this company just gets worse and worse. As if SoF wasn't bad enough, you add these 'bonds' that can now be traded in-game. I just looked at the GE price of these bonds- 11.6m, but already dropped by 600k in one night alone. Eventually, however, the price of these bonds will stabilise. Meaning that people can now purchase bonds with a reasonable expectation on how much GP they can get by doing so. Of course, since it's not directly selling GP it's acceptable. Bloody hypocrites. It really is a case of 'if you can't beat 'em, join em'.

26-Sep-2013 12:44:44

SouLPrisoner
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SouLPrisoner

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Forgot to add:

Jagex Logic:

If we can't beat them then lets join them.

unfortunately I think I foresee many of the players starting to break the rules with the same mindset.

Which one of you said the secret rwter quote ? something like thanks for allowing me to gain an unfair advantage? yah that was spot on,

I am disappointed to see the game I once loved headed in this direction.

Back in the day, this game taught me respect, hard work, ethics and disclipline, now the newbies get a way to buy success. gl hope it works out and you get to buy back from ivp this is going nowhere for true honest players.



You see RS is a business to Jagex unlike to us for whom it's merely a game, but not to Jagex. And like any business, it's ultimate goal is to maximize profit. Find new means of making money, i.e many more reasons for us to spend money. They are doing their job and if you want to enjoy the fullest of yourself, then you gotta pay. Nothing more nothing less, it's pure business! You'll get use to it, once you start playing different browser games :)


I was thinking myself of such a business ;)


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Bloody hypocrites. It really is a case of 'if you can't beat 'em, join em'.


Well, to satisfy your self, lemme say this: RS is facing quite an imbalance in economy thnx to other websites that are selling their in-game currencies. When the game belongs to Jagex, so the one to make profit should be Jagex not other sites... And eventually RS had to come up with something to stop them. Could be join them, stop them etc. But one thing is obvious that ppl weren't going to stop buying GP from other webs and if that's the case then it's better if they buy it from RS itself. At least the rightful owner would make the profit instead of others...

26-Sep-2013 12:48:31 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 12:59:00 by SouLPrisoner

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