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Am I the only one that has paused long enough to wonder where these "testimonials" listed in the initial announcement came from? Are those that gave those testimonials psychic? Was there an earlier announcement I didn't happen to see/notice? Why would a "goldfarmer" give a testimonial to how successful this new bond issue will be in "destroying" his "business"?

I say those "testimonials" are likely false "testimonials" made up by Jagex/IVP as positive propaganda in an attempt to garner positive support for a very controversial initiative aimed solely at generating more profits for IVP to syphon off into their coffers. It is in my opinion merely another micro-transaction aded to the game added solely to increase IVP's anticipated profit margins in Jagex disguised as an attempt to further battle "RWT'ing" so as to try to make it more palatable with the playerbase. Jagex/IVP has jumped right into the "RWT'ing" industry with both feet and have the gall to tell us it is to make us happy.

How can any of us be so easily decieved by Jagex/IVP as to actually think this update was made so as to be to our benefit and not see it for what it truely is, to pad Jagex's bottom line to further benefit IVP? With that said, it is surely a done deal, regardless what we do/say Jagex WILL go through with this and WILL NOT do away with something with so much additional profit potential.



As for something said earlier, "Limited trade was tried and did not work. Junk trading became the way around trade limits, so unles you want fixed prices on items that can not adjust to supply and demand, limited trade would not stop unbalanced trades, would not stop RWT, and would only succeed in upsetting legitimate players by needlessly restricting their trade."


Limited trade DID work and it worked very well, it was why for those years Rune$cape was nearly if not completely free of goldfarming bots or did you fail to notice/weren't yet playing Rune$cape/was on a Rune$cape break during that time?

26-Sep-2013 06:56:55

Brad 76

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There are times when the 5% change in prices of the GE is too slow to adjust to legitimate changes in supply and demand, which ends up with players trading the items outside the GE because the GE prices are so far from what players consider the value the items.

When the majority of players and the GE disagree on prices, the price the majority of players agree on is considered the more accurate price.


Free trade is not the only fix to this, heres an example....how bout updating the ge every 6h instead of every 24h just an idea. Alternative is .... watching this game go down the tubes because of cheaters and scammers. There has got to be some ideas out there that could tackle a few issues that remain and then eliminate gold selling completely from the game. I would gladly limit my trade to keep the scammers and cheaters from ruining it.

26-Sep-2013 06:57:05

Pharika

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Honestly this doesn't affect me in any way if I don't bother with it. While you all are improving your game, I'm just going to continue playing whilst waiting for the last elven quest to come.

Yup. I don't care. :3

26-Sep-2013 07:04:35

Green Mage
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Are you drunk! This doesn't stop gold farming, it just legalises it and spreads it out so that every player can buy their gp with real money, something you said you would never do.
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26-Sep-2013 07:07:44

Brad 76

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Free Trade is the entire reason that they have fought so hard over the last few years to combat botting, gambling, gold selling and gold farming.

We went from limited trade with a few aggrivations that in my opinion could have been fixed in other ways besides free trade to basically the total demise of the game.

Botting, gold farming, and gold selling is not the root problem ....it's free trade and this band aide today does not solve the problem...it just kicks the can down the road a few more feet.

26-Sep-2013 07:07:49

Zinc Lynx 01

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I'll try to make this short & sweet:

The 40-50% is way more than I thought it would be (I thought 25-33% of players might buy gold from gold-farmers on a monthly basis). I think 40-50% is plausible, but I'm somewhat skeptical.

I'm quite disappointed that Jagex is choosing to mimic what I call the 'Asian money-factory' games, but I primarily blame the players who have chosen to RWT for causing this to happen.

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On a happier note, thanks for increasing drop rates & tear caps at the BoL.

Fyi you said that "After this week, it will no longer be possible to unlock titles or weapons." You might want to specify that you mean the titles unlocked while a player is participating in the Battle of Lumbridge, not the titles which are purchased with renown.

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26-Sep-2013 07:08:12

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Big ups to Mod Mmg and Jagex for taking such massive initiatives against what has been a long time nuisance to the Runescape gaming experience! Gold Farming simply takes the joy and fairness out of the game.
Runescape has always been a game, for me at least, that is like that of a long road trip through a scenic route in the country... its the personal journey, the joy in the experience of achievement that can only be grasped when the game is played in parallel with the rules. Any breach of the rules, especially unfair advantages by out of game resources provided by Gold Farmers, take that joy away from both the rule abiding and rule breaking players. (in other words this is for your own good Rule breakers and we forgive you!)
Only complete eradication of Gold Farming can bring out the best of what Runesacpe has to offer. I do believe this is another great step towards that goal and most assuredly wont be the last!

Thanks Jagex for your continued commitment to the player!

26-Sep-2013 07:11:42

Nabu Rimanni

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Am I the only one that has paused long enough to wonder where these "testimonials" listed in the initial announcement came from?


You're right, of course. They're complete balderdash.

When I read that first one,

"
Hi, my name is Simon and I have been playing RuneScape for 8 years. I have a completionist cape and my levels are all maxed! I have worked very hard over my years of playing, and now I sit on a small fortune of resources, items and gold. Rather than keep spending my own money, I can now trade some of my game wealth for Bonds, redeeming them for many months of unbroken RuneScape membership without having to spend another dollar myself!
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I knew right away that the botters who sit on a small fortune of resources, items and gold, would benefit the most from this.

26-Sep-2013 07:17:52

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Limited trade DID work and it worked very well, it was why for those years Rune$cape was nearly if not completely free of goldfarming bots or did you fail to notice/weren't yet playing Rune$cape/was on a Rune$cape break during that time?



The number of goldfarming bots was reduced, but the number of players allowing RWT onto their accounts to level and gain gp and items for them increased, so it resulted in more accounts being less secure. Yes you saw less goldfarming bots, but you also saw increased botting on players main accounts, and more account hijackings and more players main accounts banned because of botting directly on the person's main account instead of botting on throwaway accounts. RWT was alive despite goldfarmer botting being decreased. It did not work to stop RWT, it just changed the type of RWT and resulted in more accounts being compromised.

And lets not forget about junk trading and the price manipulation clans which very easily altered GE prices at will with mass numbers of players buying or selling the same item above or below the mid GE price.

I don't call that successful at stopping RWT.
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26-Sep-2013 07:27:41

Metal Little
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Despite that gold farming has significantly decreased, it will never be fully eradicated. Bonds might help severely mitigate the bot problem, but RS will become heavily influenced by real-life monetary status in which this game wasn't intended to be based on real-life circumstances like being rich or poor. Remember before Jagex implemented the SOF into the game, it stated, "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape." I strongly agreed with that initial statement until Jagex went hypocritical. That was the main reason I opposed SOF spins, and all bonds will do is add to that. If you're rich, you can now buy your way into this game easily. That's just freakin' great! :@

Also, like many anti-EOC players, all the gold farmers did was move on and entered OSRS. Although there's still a significant amount of players on RS3, they steered their focus towards OSRS, and that's why the bot issue has seemingly subsided. While RS3 may be largely bot-free, OSRS will still have its doors open to bots, so this isn't really an effective solution, but we'll see what happens. O_o
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26-Sep-2013 07:33:59

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