RuneScape Forum Archive | An Important Message

EIyar

Posts: 4,144 Adamant Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

Ok, so the bonds themselves aren't the worry here for me as such.. It's more your financial stability I am concerned with now.

From years of experience now (from about 2005 to the present) I've known you guys to use RWT and Anti-Bot as an excuse to mess about with the core mechanics and rules of the game. Some I've agreed with, some I haven't been so adaptive.

This one worries me more than any other to date... Is Jagex falling at the final hurdle? Why this sudden and unexpected turnaround? Is it really that you as a company have come to a realisation that such a number have used goldfarming sites? Or is it that you simply want to milk the final bulk out of the company before either selling up or shutting shop?
I'd rather you were honest with us here, something smells mighty fishy and with so many hours of my life, so much cash injected and so much faith in the future of this game I'm now asking myself: Should I just get out now before it's all entirely worthless and gone?

I need a little security in knowing the future direction of this company and game now.. With Solomon's all on sale (and trying to attract loyalty as another currency), Super September trying to keep people logging in daily, content being thrown back every other week, HTML5 BETA going silent, EoC still being problematic (and annoying, feels like it should still be in BETA) and hundreds of other random defects which raise an eyebrow or two even before this announcement..

I wouldn't expect an answer to this as it would severely damage the company.. But at the same time I hope you understand my own concerns.

~Z

26-Sep-2013 02:54:17

Dec

2012

Randynumbers

Posts: 563 Steel Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

Original message details are unavailable.
Maybe I have missed reading something, and I am pretty confused about all aspect of this and how exactly it works.

Surely the gold farmers (which must have some kind of fortune behind them) buy bonds on the GE or from players at way over price to take them out the market? ie. Not use them. Thus raising Bond in game prices, and/or giving Jagex free money. Then pay the trade tax and trade bonds for real money back to players?

i've read this question multiple times.

If a gold farmer buys the bond, it makes the price of the bond go up. If bond prices are high. the farmer will not be selling gold anymore, because buying bonds from jagex is just better bang for ur buck at that moment.

It's completely useless for a farmer to buy bonds, worse, it's counterproductive.

26-Sep-2013 02:56:18

Aug

2008

Team Skull

Posts: 24,511 Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

*facepalm*

this system is so exploitable it's not even funny....

Get your act together. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

26-Sep-2013 02:59:27

Icemetroid

Posts: 837 Gold Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

What Jagex intended:

-Bonds eliminate gold farmers
-Jagex disguises bonds as a necessary tool to eliminate rule breakers, whereas in reality bonds are the final step in Jagex's triage of rwt'ing (aka outright buying gp)

What will happen:

-Gold farmers will easily outprice Jagex and continue their economic upheaval
-Jagex will have a backlash from dissatisfied customers who see through their thinly veiled attempt at rwt'ing
-Now the war against gold farming happens on two fronts instead of one; one by the gold farmers who remain in business, and one by Jagex, essentially worsening the situation

26-Sep-2013 02:59:42 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 03:00:43 by Icemetroid

Sullys Gal

Posts: 323 Silver Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

I think jagex wants everyone to get max stats 200mill... so they can spring into action another update they been waiting for. I think this is all an ill will gimick to hide something else they want to spring ... cram cram cram lets give it all away for nothing and no effort or glory. How bout adding an instant max 200mill lamp on the wheel for us to get.

imagine the poor nub having to walk from fally to varrock... alone, cold.. no ipod, no ipad... to keep them entertained on the long long walk. Poor poor nub have to work to get a lvl or two ... what about the noobs. =( they work so hard. Just give out free bonds... ***** it. Just give out bonds a welfare system. Or get rid of the GE all together... get rid of trade. No borrowing. I am so sick of this game... back in the day when you played that mini game guthix tears had a max of hardly anything to put on a skill once a week that was a huge thing, sinkholes now a days... where its sickening i can get almost over 250k exp in two games a day to put on dung. ..... simply gross.

26-Sep-2013 02:59:53

Sullys Gal

Posts: 323 Silver Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

I think jagex wants everyone to get max stats 200mill... so they can spring into action another update they been waiting for. I think this is all an ill will gimick to hide something else they want to spring ... cram cram cram lets give it all away for nothing and no effort or glory. How bout adding an instant max 200mill lamp on the wheel for us to get.

imagine the poor nub having to walk from fally to varrock... alone, cold.. no ipod, no ipad... to keep them entertained on the long long walk. Poor poor nub have to work to get a lvl or two ... what about the noobs. =( they work so hard. Just give out free bonds... ***** it. Just give out bonds a welfare system. Or get rid of the GE all together... get rid of trade. No borrowing. I am so sick of this game... back in the day when you played that mini game guthix tears had a max of hardly anything to put on a skill once a week that was a huge thing, sinkholes now a days... where its sickening i can get almost over 250k exp in two games a day to put on dung. ..... simply gross.

26-Sep-2013 03:01:03

Feb

2006

Galahad Sir

Posts: 4,594 Adamant Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

You know, if Andrew had come up with this idea, I probably would have agreed it sounds like a good attempt to solve a bad situation, and thought to myself that it really was designed to help the players and the game. Like removing unbalanced trade back in the day.

However, this is Mark Liehard making the announcement, and he's just lied to us too many times and tried to tell us black is white too many times for anything he says to have a shred of credibility.

If Andrew had come up with it, I would have supported it, because his priority always was the gaming experience.

But it's MMG and IVP, so there's a sizeable chance that they're just telling us it will help the game, even hoping that it does help the game, but really the only thing it's guaranteed to help is in the bottom line for Jagex.

The first thing impression is that this is just Jagex trying to cash in on gold selling by getting people to buy from Jagex instead of gold farmers, and indeed encouraging gold buying by legitimizing it and ensuring participation in this cheating act to buy your way ahead goes way up.

Given MMG's record of lies, I find it difficult to shake this first impression. If this hurts the game - well, IVP and MMG won't really care as they roll around in their piles of cash.

More money for IVP and MMG has been the priority since they took over, even if it's at the expense of the game, and that is why I don't trust this update.

We shall see.

26-Sep-2013 03:01:40 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 03:05:59 by Galahad Sir

Aug

2008

Lands A Lot

Posts: 466 Silver Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

Here's a wall of text. Read it, it's interesting.

I play another MMO called Eve Online. This is my experience with their form of Bond...

They have a similar system in place which they refer to as PLEX. It is purchased through traditional means (credit card) and can be used in-game to redeem a month membership or sold on the market.

The value of PLEX is astounding. To give you an example, some of the best ships and items in Eve Online cost 500m-1b isk (in-game money). A single PLEX is worth about 550m on the open market. What this does is allows players to purchase the more valuable items which gives them a huge advantage over other players who grind hours building their bank.

PLEX has also created a way to put a real world value on the in-game currency. A few weeks ago, a national story broke out about a player losing a $9,000 item to PvP. What do you think is going to happen to Runescape with Bonds? It's going to give players with financial means a benefit over those who grind hours for skills and items. It's also going to put a real world value on in-game items which creates a whole new dynamic to the value of these items.

Personally, I think Bonds is going to be exploited, the community (the majority) is going to hate it and revolt, but many, MANY players will utilize this new program to buy GP, thus giving them a huge advantage over less fortunate players.

As a business, Jagex is doing what they need to do to boost revenues and profits. I think, in order to combat the gold farmers, they've created a way to sell GP in the only possible way (although I think what Bonds can buy aside from GP (14 day membership, runecoins, whatever else))**

**;dr Eve Online offers items similar to Bonds and they are VALUABLE! Bonds will be utilized to buy wealth and less fortunate players will suffer. Also, assigning a real world value to in-game items causes a new dynamic which will create quite the stir. See Party Hats in a few months.

26-Sep-2013 03:02:57

Dylan xo

Posts: 3,797 Adamant Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

Thank you for the hard work Mod Mmg! Keep it up everyone

!

~Dylan

26-Sep-2013 03:03:17

Dec

2012

Randynumbers

Posts: 563 Steel Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

Original message details are unavailable.
What Jagex intended:

-Bonds eliminate gold farmers
-Jagex disguises bonds as a necessary tool to eliminate rule breakers, whereas in reality bonds are the final step in Jagex's triage of rwt'ing (aka outright buying gp)

What will happen:

-Gold farmers will easily outprice Jagex and continue their economic upheaval
-Jagex will have a backlash from dissatisfied customers who see through their thinly veiled attempt at rwt'ing
-Now the war against gold farming happens on two fronts instead of one; one by the gold farmers who remain in business, and one by Jagex, essentially worsening the situation

you don't get the dynamics of the system.

26-Sep-2013 03:05:25

Forums

An Important Message