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Elyssabeth

Elyssabeth

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I just wanna throw out there (and apologies if others already have):

Thank you for listening to the players, putting the Prestige system to a vote, and responding to the feedback received. That is a truly inclusive way to operate, and many MMO operators could take a lesson from that.

However, I can't help but wonder how much Dev time was put into developing the Prestige system, assuming everyone would go for it, before finding out the community was against it and then having to scrap the whole thing.

Conceptually I think most everyone agrees that the Hiscores need some sort of revamp to make them competitive again, and the community clearly had much positive feedback in this regard in response to the Prestige proposal.

Wouldn't it have been more effective to query the community upfront, either through a poll with some possible solutions and/or brainstorming via a forum thread? That way Jagex could have gotten a sense of community sentiment instead of expending a lot of effort on a system they thought was awesome but it turns out the majority of players didn't want.

Responding to (and even having) the poll was a good start, but still strikes me as reactionary. Tap into the expertise and brainpower in the community first next time. Join Fast Effigy - friendly family clan!

24-Oct-2013 00:05:36

Voss

Voss

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There seems to be alot of talk about making 120 skills...and yes i could envision the pros and cons...but yet its something a vast majority of players would like to see implemented...I being one of those. The lvl 120 cape stands alone by itself and was implemented when the skill came out...true...but someone refresh my memory as to why that was done to begin with? I've been dropping hints to Jagex for I dont how long...to make a cosmetic upgrade to existing 99 capes! Something thats been sorely overlooked for way too long in my opinion. Sure....getting lvl 120 in other skills could be quite the challenge...and i'm sure those capes would have their own individual flair...so i believe thats an idea jagex should put to a vote. But before that happens...I believe that all 99 capes should get a new look first. :)

24-Oct-2013 00:12:49

LadyVirtue

LadyVirtue

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Elyssabeth said :
I just wanna throw out there (and apologies if others already have):

Thank you for listening to the players, putting the Prestige system to a vote, and responding to the feedback received. That is a truly inclusive way to operate, and many MMO operators could take a lesson from that.

However, I can't help but wonder how much Dev time was put into developing the Prestige system, assuming everyone would go for it, before finding out the community was against it and then having to scrap the whole thing.

Conceptually I think most everyone agrees that the Hiscores need some sort of revamp to make them competitive again, and the community clearly had much positive feedback in this regard in response to the Prestige proposal.

Wouldn't it have been more effective to query the community upfront, either through a poll with some possible solutions and/or brainstorming via a forum thread? That way Jagex could have gotten a sense of community sentiment instead of expending a lot of effort on a system they thought was awesome but it turns out the majority of players didn't want.

Responding to (and even having) the poll was a good start, but still strikes me as reactionary. Tap into the expertise and brainpower in the community first next time.

I support this with a slight exception. Those who spend the time and energy to get 200 mil in skills deserves to be recognized for their accomplishments.

If you want to develop a new high scores, perhaps, develop a daily xp total high scores system that resets like once a week or something.

24-Oct-2013 00:14:58

Dwayne Dibly
Apr Member 2004

Dwayne Dibly

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I personally voted in favour of the prestige system, as a (pre-Div) maxed / near completionist player I probably would not widely use it but maybe it would be fun. However that isn't to say that I did not see a number of potential issues with it that would need consideration before implementation. I'll run through some of my thoughts.

Economy. Supposedly every update for the last 10 years "will ruin the economy". Prestige would likely increase the value of low-mid level skilling items somewhat, which would probably be good and make gathering skills somewhat profitable. So overall I don't buy this as a reason against prestige, however level-independant buyables like Dragon / Frost bones could become inaccessible to some (although the opportunity to gather them to sell and buy lower level would still be there).

Titles / emotes. There is some merit in the argument that titles or (in particular) emotes unlocked by prestige would not be **readily** available to anyone who would want them. Some people would view this as a goal, as intended, others seem to view it as being "forced" to do things to unlock them. I don't place high value on unlocking cosmetics so I don't object but I can see that others disagree.

"Pointless". Arguably the entire game doesn't have a point, other than "fun" :p.

Devaluing achievement of existing highscore leaders... well, the old highscores will still be there, so there is that. But there is a decision to be made on what to do with existing players who have say 200M xp and someone who gets 99 and immediately starts to Prestige. Some kind of "transfer" of xp from base to prestige might work, but it would have to be severely restricted to maybe a one-off decision or a horrible conversion efficiency like 5%, so it isn't better to gain xp over 99 and convert than to actually train the Prestige'd skill.

Dungeoneering - the most likely time you would want existing 99s. Exempt this area from Prestige?

24-Oct-2013 00:18:25

JackScape
Dec Member 2023

JackScape

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Elyssabeth said :
Wouldn't it have been more effective to query the community upfront, either through a poll with some possible solutions and/or brainstorming via a forum thread?
Yes. Yes it would have.

However, tradition is a stubborn thing. Since the beginning of RuneScape updates have been developed in near secret. Updates have almost always been more or less a surprise, and feedback is mainly collected after-the-fact. And while some updates have been God-awful... The majority, despite what the forums would have you believe some weeks, are well received. They aren't all flawless pieces of content that everybody loves, but most are generally pretty ok. So Jagex has continued this trend - this tradition - because it generally works.

If they put every piece of potential content up to a poll before development, it would take a ridiculous amount of time. A proper poll would need to be open for at least a week; that's time that could be spent actually developing content. More so than this, however, is the disappointment that would come with constant content polls. As of now, most updates are a secret and we have little say in their being implemented. It gets released and either we like it or we don't; those who do can use it and those who don't... don't. But with content polls, the losing content would be scrapped and anyone who wanted it would be left disappointed. That's something that doesn't happen when content is kept a secret until release, and the effects of it could be detrimental to the playerbase.

You could say "only run polls for the larger/more controversial updates", but it's hard to tell what updates would be considered large or controversial. Prestige proved this. It was meant to be an extra, optional feature that wouldn't actually change much of anything in-game... and yet it caused this much controversy. It shows that it would be impossible for Jagex to do selective polls in this way.

24-Oct-2013 00:23:16

Voss

Voss

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the goat also speaks accurately...maybe thats what the problem is to begin with...asking the players what "they" want...kinda reminds me of what bethesda did with masseffect 3 when so many players hated the ending...then they complained...then bethesda actually listened and made a new ending...ironic lol

24-Oct-2013 00:28:41

Kara Danvers

Kara Danvers

Posts: 3,032 Adamant Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Elyssabeth said :
I just wanna throw out there (and apologies if others already have):

Thank you for listening to the players, putting the Prestige system to a vote, and responding to the feedback received. That is a truly inclusive way to operate, and many MMO operators could take a lesson from that.

However, I can't help but wonder how much Dev time was put into developing the Prestige system, assuming everyone would go for it, before finding out the community was against it and then having to scrap the whole thing.

Conceptually I think most everyone agrees that the Hiscores need some sort of revamp to make them competitive again, and the community clearly had much positive feedback in this regard in response to the Prestige proposal.

Wouldn't it have been more effective to query the community upfront, either through a poll with some possible solutions and/or brainstorming via a forum thread? That way Jagex could have gotten a sense of community sentiment instead of expending a lot of effort on a system they thought was awesome but it turns out the majority of players didn't want.

Responding to (and even having) the poll was a good start, but still strikes me as reactionary. Tap into the expertise and brainpower in the community first next time.
I doubt they used all that much development time on prestige. It is a simple system and it never got beyond a development blog.

24-Oct-2013 00:29:09

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